Sessions across Web Applications (WARs)

I've heard that you can't share session information (http session) across web applications or war files in the j2ee framework. However, I haven't seen any proof of this? I'm struggling to find information telling that I can't do this. Can someone elaborate a bit?
Thanks.

Hi !
It is TOTALLY WRONG that someone wrote here that a
separate JVM is started for each web-app! No way. Run
any appserver and do a 'ps -ef|grep java' and I bet
you will see only one forever :-). Correct
Steve, it is the classloader hierarchy in all
appservers that prevents you from sharing sessions (i
would say classes loaded by various web-apps). There
is something called a web-app / WAR classloader, which
is 4th in the hierarchy of JVm classloader hierarchy.
Since all your web-app loaded classes are loaded by
this classloader and since each web-app has a "peer"
classloader at same level for its own web-app, you
will never be able to share across web-apps. Incorrect, just because you can have separate classloaders for separate web applications does not mean that those web applications cannot share instances.
It is also possible to have classes which are globally available to ALL web applications which are loaded as part of the servlet container. Tomcat versions 4+ have a common area where classes can be made available. These classes are not loaded within the Web Application classloader at all.
Not only that but it is possible to configure web application contexts such that they can also share things like sessions. This feature is definitely part of the Apache Tomcat release and as this is taken by Sun to be the Reference Implementation of the Servlet Container I would assume that is also part of the J2EE Standard as well.
YOu can always use the DB stuff that other genltmen
has already suggested.

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    The default Java compiler from sun lives in the tools.jar that comes with
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              Regards
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              James Strachan
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              email: [email protected]
              web: http://www.metastuff.com
              "Martin Webb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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