Smart Objects in CS5 behave differently than in CS4?

I've just upgraded from CS4 to CS5, and I've noticed, what is to me, a BIG change in the way Smart Objects work.
Imagine this simplified hypothetical scenario...
I create a document in Illustrator, with two layers.
On one layer would be a 800x600 solid rectangle. On another layer I'd put a small 50x50 circle.
The import thing here is that the circle would be positioned roughly in the top-left corner in relation to the rectangle.
I'd select both objects, go over to Photoshop, create a new 800x600 document, and paste what I've just copied into the document as a Smart Object.
Photoshop would treat both Illustrator layers as one Smart Object of course, and they would get pasted together, and they would look exactly how they did in Illustrator - that being the circle positioned in the top left corner of the rectangle.
Now I decide I want to hide the solid rectangle in my Smart Object, but I want to keep the circle exactly as it is now in the Photoshop document.
So I simply double-click to edit the original Illustrator file, and then I hide the layer with the rectangle on it, save the file, close it, and go back to Photoshop.
In CS4, the file would update to show the changes I had made, so the rectangle would disappear and only the circle would remain - and importantly, the circle would maintain its position. It would stay in the top-left corner of my Photoshop document (the rectangle still exists in the original Illustrator file, but the layer it's on is simply hidden).
However, when I do this exact same process in CS5, when I update the Smart Object after hiding the rectangle layer in Illustrator, the Smart Object seems to ignore the rectangle that is hidden in the file, and the solitary circle that remains gets totally shifted into the centre of the 800x600 Photoshop file. So it is now no longer in the top-left corner where it was before.
This is causing me HUGE problems, because I have painstakingly positioned many many various objects in my Illustrator files which then get shifted out of place whenever I make an adjustment!
Is there any way to get CS5 to treat Smart Objects in the same way that CS4 did before it?

Regards your comments above, yes I am aware of that discrepancy, but I very carefully make sure not to change the size or position of the largest object. In other words, when ALL objects on ALL layers are selected, I make sure that the OVERALL X/Y co-ordinates AND X/Y dimensions do not change between adjustments of various isolated objects.
(I actually deliberately keep a "spare" oversized rectangle on a bottom layer to maintain overall size, and it's this layer that I normally switch off in my final Smart Object.)

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