[solved] SSD Vertex 2 + GPT + Grub2 = Confusion and failed install.

I just got a new 60gb Vertex 2 for my media center. I spent all day reading up on SSDs and have failed to get the install to work.
From what I've read GPT is recommended. GPT requires grub2 (or syslinux) and requires a 1mb partition to boot from bios.
I booted into a working system and used gdisk to format it as follows:
sda1 - ef02/bios boot 1mb
sda2 - swap 4gb (so I can use suspend)
sda3 - / 15gb
sda4 - /var 8gb
sda5 - /home 29gb
/tmp is mounted to ram in fstab.
I then rebooted using my arch install usb. I skipped the "format disk" part and went straight to mountpoints. I created my mountpoints accordingly (/, /home are ext4, /var is reiserfs) but ignored the first partition (bios boot). Also, I'm using labels instead of UUID.
Packages installed fine and I made the few minor tweaks to my configs. I skipped the bootloader install and installed grub2 according to the wiki. It hung on installing grub2-common for over 20 minutes. I ctrl+c it. Try it again and the install completes almost instantly.
I try to modprobe dm-mod like the wiki says, but it fails telling me that some module shit doesn't exist.
I reboot and get to a hanging cursor. That's it.
Other thoughts - I never marked a partition as "bootable" how do I do that when using gdisk? Mebbe that's the problem? (Maybe it's the beer...hmmm)
Thanks for any help you guys have to offer. I'm off to bed but will be playing with this shit in the morning.
Last edited by ctarwater (2011-07-02 22:04:54)

Ok, original problem solved.
Was unable to modprobe needed modules because I had to reboot first. Which means I had to chroot in and the install Grub2 as outlined in the wiki.
Now I just need to figure out the damn config file so it'll boot...but that's a new topic. I'm off to see if I can figure out how to stop getting an "unable to determine major/minor" error. I'm sure I'll be posting a new thread in a few hours .

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Last edited by skodabenz (2011-01-30 19:32:48)

Welcome to arch, skodabenz! Offering documentation on third post - all thumbs up
You could start the wiki page in your user-space with what you have, and then invite others to join working on it. Just register a wiki account, navigate to the page you want to start, for example:
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My iPod Nano 7th Generation couldn't be detected by iTunes when I plugged in. I tried resolving the issue by uninstalling the iTunes and then install it back again but yet still the same problem exist. Can you please help me to solve this issue? I have already updated to the latest version of iTunes on my Windows 8 and I cannot synchronize my iPod for the time being. Please do help me to solve this problem. Thank You.

uninstall all iTunes,5 programes,this worked for me after reinstall them

My Windows 7 Professional desktop system hard disk got corrupted and I took the opportunity to install an SSD for a new system disk and reinstall Windows. The system is up and running on the SSD, with my old system disk now used for storage as it is stil

My Windows 7 Professional desktop system hard disk got corrupted and I took the opportunity to install an SSD for a new system disk and reinstall Windows. The system is up and running on the SSD, with my old system disk now used for storage as it is still readable. The only Adobe product I have reinstalled so far is Reader XI but I would like to reinstall Elements 8 and Acrobat 9 without taking up more licences as both are also installed on my laptop. Can you point me to the best way to do this? - Thanks

If you have the two allotted activations already and one was lost on the hard drive that failed then you need to contact Adobe Support thru chat and ask them to reset your activations.
For the link below click the Still Need Help? option in the blue area at the bottom and choose the chat option...
Serial number and activation chat support (non-CC)
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/service1.html ( http://adobe.ly/1aYjbSC )

HT201407 Hi, I upgraded my Iphone 3gs from version 4.1 to 6.0.1 but upon restarting, the sim card is no longer recognized, i cant restore with itune nothing at all!! i'm so confused and ****** off... please provide any help

Hi, I upgraded my Iphone 3gs from version 4.1 to 6.0.1 but upon restarting, the sim card is no longer recognized, i cant restore with itune nothing at all!! i'm so confused and ****** off... please provide any help

Is the SIM from the carrier the device is locked to?
Has the device ever been hacked or jailbroken?
Have you tried simply removing and re-installing the SIM? What about replacing the SIM?

Why would it state under the "more about this mac" that i already have10.8.3 and then in the app store say i need to "resume" do you know what i mean? is it possible i already did download mountain lion entirely once? I am confused and don't want it twice

why would it state under the "more about this mac" that i already have10.8.3 and then in the app store say i need to "resume" do you know what i mean? is it possible i already did download mountain lion entirely once? I am confused and don't want it twice

This is cause by the way the App Store checks to see if an application is installed on your system.
Basically when an app is installed it is in the Applications folder and this is where the MAS looks for them. So it looks at your purchase history for the apps you bought and looks in the Applications folder to see if they are installed. If an app is in your purchase history but not in the Applications folder the MAS says you need to install it.
For normal apps this works fine but the OS doesn;t install into the Applications folder. So the MAS sees you have Mountain Lion in your purchase history but it's not in the Applications folder and so it says you need to download it.
Hopefully one of these days Apple wil fix this.
regards

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