Worth upgrading to Lion?

I see many people are so frustrated with Lion that they're asking how to unistall it. I still have OSX 10.5.8 and am looking to upgrade to Snow Leopard so that I can upgrade to Lion, but now I'm thinking I should just stick with Leopard and wait until Lion has its kinks worked out. I'm a novice with all this stuff so any plain English guidance would be appreciated. Thanks!

If I had to choose between 10.5 and 10.7, I'd go with 10.5. I tried really hard to like Lion, but I can't stand it. Nothing about it works better for me than 10.6.8, which is what I am continuing to run. What irritates me most about Lion is not "kinks" that will be eventually "worked out", but UI changes that are fully intentional and will not be changing back.
Others disagree with me, of course, and love Lion. You won't know until you try it. But as for advice, I'm with Kappy. You may be happier staying with what you have, if it is already providing you with everything you need. An additional piece of advice I'd add is to try out a Lion Mac first before buying, at an Apple store or other retailer.

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Is mountain lion worth upgrading from lion

is mountain lion worth upgrading from lion

That is a question you really have to answer...go to http://www.apple.com/osx and check the features in ML...are they features that are important to YOU? Do you want to text message from your computer? Use the other features that are an integral part of iOS/ For me the huge factor is the added speed of ML...Safari for me is significantly faster...the whole system is faster. I really like ML...but there are others on here who disagree.
Go through the features and see how important they are to you then decide.

Worth upgrading to Lion Server?

Not trying to be snarky, geniunly curious.
Currently have a Snow Leopard server for a small business office. It's being used as an Open Directory master, network share, web server, and Time Machine backup. No mail/calendar/wiki (use Kerio for that). In reading about Lion server I'm not sure if any of the new features are worth the upgrade for me. We went from 10.5 to 10.6 server mostly for the speed boosts and Spotlight searching, but I can't seem to find any "must have" Lion features for my use case.
Anyone care to share their decisions over why they are planning an upgrade, and why?

I will add to what was said above. Do not under any circumstances upgrade.
I recently setup a clean Lion server, pre-installed on an iMac, with the lion server add-on from the App Store. So, totally clean machine, starting from scratch, Lion pre-installed.
It's been a nightmare. The Server tool is unusable. It is buggy as ****. User and Group assignments just up and dissapear. They are still present, but you can't see them from the Server Tool. The only way to manage them is to use the Users and Groups Preference Pane, which is a pain also, but at least it works.
The UI for setting permissions (yes, the standard Command-I interface), is screwed up also. It cannot handle simple tasks whithout failing. You never know what it its going to do. You add a group. But it doesn't take. You add it again. It might work. Hevean forbid you want to add a group, assign it read-write, and then apply to all subfolders. LOOKS like it works, but it doesn't. I confirmed this using the command line tools.
I finally gave up trying to use the UI for permissions, and now I am doing everything from the command line using "chmod" commands. These always work. As soon as I can figure out how to manage users and groups from the command line, that's what I'm going to do.
Windows SMB/CIFS sharing is a nightmare. It mostly works. Except when it doesn't. And it doesn't a whole lot of time. You think it's fine. But for no apparent reason, the Mac starts dropping the connection if it idles for too long. You can have a document open on a Windows machine, and go back to save it or work further, and the connection has dropped. Repeatedly you will work on a file, and for no apparent reason, when you try to save it, you are told that the file is already open by another user. But it's not. You are the only user, and in fact you are only using one single application to edit the file.
I could not get our Debian-Linux based RIPs (for our large format printers) to connect using SMB at all. I finally gave up after numerous attempts trying every possible combination, and switched to using NFS exports. Thankfully, NFS still works in Lion, and the NFS Manager app (google for it) has been updated to manage them if you are uncomfortable doing it from the command line / text editor.
We are hobbling along. It ain't pretty. I wish we had another option at this point.
FYI: We didn't have a choice but to make this move now. Our old fileserver, a linux box, could no longer keep up with our growing user base and our very large file systems (we are a medium-sized printing company). Linux is great as a Mac server for smaller networks, but it can't handle either Samba or AFP connections once the filesystem grows too large. It bogs down horribly due to the inherent limitations of Samba and Netatalk. So our only options were a Mac Server or Windows+Extreme-Z IP. We chose to roll the dice on an iMac + Promise Pegasus disk array on Thunderbolt + Lion Server.
I wish I had the option to install Snow Leopard. But you can't install it on this iMac. The only machines that support Thunderbolt AND Snow Leopard are laptops. Unless we spent gobs of money on a Mac Pro + Fiber Channel (which would have been almost triple the price), our only choices were the new Mac Mini Server, or the new iMac, either of which supports Thunderbolt, but neither of which supports Snow Leopard.

Upgrading to Lion & Using Quicken

I currently have snow leopard on my iMac. Is it worth upgrading to Lion? I just am an average user, but very dependent on Quicken. I understand I will also have to get an app for Quicken to be compatible with Lion. Has anyone done this successfully?

Quicken for Lion ($15 USD) works fine in Snow Leopard and Lion. As for needing Lion, all I can say is if you want your Mac to act like an iOS device or you want to use iCloud, go for it. Otherwise, stay with SL. BTW, running the Lion version in SL gains a significant speed bump.

I have leopard and want to upgrade to lion. I have a macbook about 3 years old and wonder if I should just get a new macbook pro ($$$) instead. Is it worth the headache to upgrade to snow leopard and then lion? How does lion perform on an intel core duo 2

I have a macbook about 3 years old running leopard. I amwondering ifitwouldbeworth the trouble to install snowleopardand then lion ($60.00) or just buy a new macbook pro ($$$$$$). How does lion perform on an intel core 2 duo processor?

I have Lion installed on a Mini with a C2D processor. The same Mini has Snow Leopard on another partition and there is no noticeable difference in operational speed between the two OS's. But compared to my new MBPro 17" with a 2.83GHz i7, the Mini running Lion is noticeably slower. So if you can afford anew MBPro, then I would get it because you will probably be unhappy with the performance of Lion on the older MBPro. The other benefit of getting a new MBPro with Lion is that if you have any Power PC applications currently on the old MBPro, which will not operate in Lion, then you still have the ability to use them. Many users got stung by upgrading to Lion, only to find they could no longer use the older PPC applications.

Is it worth upgrading to at least Lion instead of having Snow Leopard?

Right now I have Snow Leopard running on my computer. I had already downloaded Lion when I first bought my Macbook Pro, but it took nearly four hours to upgrade to Lion, and afterward my trackpad wasn't working anymore. I don't know if it had anything to do with the upgrade, but I didn't want to risk it. I'm used to using Corners to go to my screensaver, see the files I have open, see my spaces, and see the dashboard apps. How much better is Lion/Mountain Lion compared to Snow Leopard? Should I make the switch?

I don't know if they are "better" - they include new features which are not part of Snow Leopard. If you are not interested in the features, then don't install it - Snow Leopard is an excellent OS. I have both Lion and Mountain Lion installed on separate partitions and, personally, ignore some of the new features because I either don't need them or am simply not interested in them. I choose not to use iCloud because I do not trust an online server to keep my personal information safe - it'll be hacked into sooner or later. That is a rather important part of the new OS - the iCloud/automatic syncing capability - if you want to do that, you do need to install Lion. I also still maintain a bootable clone of Snow Leopard on an external partition because I use a PPC application occasionally - those are no longer supported in Lion, so if you have any, check that first.

Do I need to upgrade to Lion? Can't delete untitled calendars in iCloud Calendar

I have two questions.
#1 - I'm using 10.6.8 - Snow Leopard (right?), so do I need to upgrade to Lion to completely sync with the Cloud? My iPhone 4S doesn't sync with iCal anymore. Am I doing something wrong? I'm thinking that if I were to upgrade to Lion, that would solve the syncing issue.
#2 - I have two untitled calendars & the Entourage one that I want to delete. I can't figure out how to do that. Again, maybe I need to bite the bullet & upgrade to Lion so that I can sync with iCal???
Thanks in advance for your help!
Jami

Also, my photos that I take on my iPhone 4S automatically sync to my iPad, but not to my iPhoto on my computer. Thinking that Lion will solve all my problems.
Is it worth it? I've heard mixed reviews.

Here is my plan for upgrading to Lion

I assumed that there was going to end up being a huge thread about problems with upgrading to Lion. And I have too much at stake (Adobe, Microsoft products, etc) to be helping beta test such a major upgrade.
And I am really amazed out how many people are desperate to go back a version...back to Snow Leopard in order to restore their working applications. So if it was so critical that Lion work the first time with your installed apps, why did you have such terrible backup plans in place?
So here is my foolproof (hopefully) solution to protecting against an upgrade meltdown.
It's VERY simple.
Purchase another hard drive for your Macbook Pro (Sorry, won't work with Air,...I know.)
Clone it and then install it into your Mac, or restore from your Time Machine. (Or just verify that it boots and works ok)
Go to the online Mac store and purchase and install your Lion upgrade. If it works for you....fine. If not re-install the other drive and wait a few months for the bug updates to arrive.... and then try again.
Before you complain about purchasing another hard drive. Don't be so cheap. If you can afford a Mac, you can afford $60 for a new hard drive. Isn't your sanity worth it? Then buy an enclosure and and use it as a backup drive.
Is this concept so tough?

You don't even have to buy an internal drive, an external works just as well and then there's no fuss about installing it.
You can use SuperDuper! or CarbonCopyCloner and make the external bootable to test it.
Well, that's what I did before upgrading

I have a mid 2010 Macbook Pro running Snow Leopard and foolishly upgraded to Yosemite. Is it possible to go back in time with Time Machine and reinstall Snow Leopard. Then upgrade to Lion or Mavericks? Any other ideas on how I can exit Yosemite?

I have a mid 2010 Macbook Pro running Snow Leopard and foolishly upgraded to Yosemite. Now have numerous problems. Is it possible to go back in time with Time Machine and reinstall Snow Leopard? Then upgrade to Lion or Mavericks? Any other ideas on how I can exit Yosemite?

Once you get yourself back to Snow Leopard, if you still want to upgrade somewhat, I would suggest the following:
1. Get an external hard drive that you can use for experiments with new OS versions. You could partition it into 2 or 3 partitions. You could then clone your existing Snow Leopard system to one partition using Carbon Copy Cloner (well worth $40) or SuperDuper ($25).
2. Buy OS X Mountain Lion for $20, through the Apple online store (I don't think it's available through the App Store). Apple has decided to make it very difficult for anyone to get Mavericks unless they have already downloaded it.
You will receive two e-mails from Apple, one containing a PDF with a redemption code, and one with the password you will need to unlock the PDF. Using the code, you will download Mountain Lion from the App Store, where it will appear among your Purchased items.
After ML finishes downloading, its installer app will launch itself. When you see this launch screen, QUIT the install app immediately! Go to your applications folder, find the Install OS X Mountain Lion app, and copy it to a safe location outside of your Applications folder. Keeping one or more copies will allow you to reinstall without unnecessary aggravation if you later need or want to do that. At this point, you can re-launch the Installer in the Applications folder and let it run. You can install it on a clean partition on your external HD, or you can allow it to upgrade the Snow Leopard clone you created on your external drive, or you can do both. This should allow you to test how everything works for as long as you like.
3. If you left yourself a free partition on your test drive, try a clean install of Yosemite and set everything up from scratch (do not migrate anything). This will allow you to see whether your problems with it were related to something in your Snow Leopard system.

Significant slowdown of Time Machine after upgrade to Lion; indexing problem

After upgrading to Lion over the weekend I notice a significant slowdown of Time Machine processing. I assumed the first backup or two would take some time but it's been a couple of days. The process always hangs up at the "Indexing backup" stage. It takes a couple of hours to finish.
I found several threads relating to slowed down backups on Lion, most seem to hang at the "Preparing" stage (not the same symptom) but I did find some good diagnostic pointers. I installed the widget to see what kind of messages were being produced and found a few dozen "Waiting for index to be ready (100)" messages at the end of the stream. Further research - this is not a good thing :-) It seems a couple of such messages can be ok, but this many usually indicates a problem. I'm going to discount the possibility of a hardware failure because everything was perfectly fine up to the point I made the upgrade. Plus the prepare and copy seem to proceed at the expected speed (I watched the most recent cycle just to be sure).
Here is the full message log (it's still running at the moment):
Starting standard backup
Attempting to mount network destination URL: afp://Paul%[email protected]/Paul%20DiMarzio's%20Tim e%20Capsul
Mounted network destination at mountpoint: /Volumes/Paul DiMarzio's Time Capsul using URL: afp://Paul%[email protected]/Paul%20DiMarzio's%20Tim e%20Capsul
QUICKCHECK ONLY; FILESYSTEM CLEAN
Disk image /Volumes/Paul DiMarzio's Time Capsul/Paul DiMarzio’s MacBook Pro.sparsebundle mounted at: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups
Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb
12.15 GB required (including padding), 490.69 GB available
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I further found the advice and instructions on how to run the disk utility on the sparsebundle. I did a verify and repair, and the results came back that the drive appears to be ok (it did not say that it explicitly repaired anything).
But the problem remains.
I use a 1TB Time Capsule with plenty of free capacity (only half full). The TC and my MacBook are both hardwired into the home network, networking speed has never been an issue.
I'd sure hate to delete the backup file and start from scratch, there's over a year's worth of data there and I have, occassionally, wanted to go in there and pick up a downlevel or subsequently deleted file.
Any advice on other diagnostics or repair options to take? Thanks!
Paul

After posting I decided to keep trying to slog my way through the troubleshooting guide. Some of the steps are beyond my understanding but I did follow the advice in #D2 to delete the .Spotlight-V100 file from the sparsebundle. That action does seem to have done the trick, the backups are now completing in normal time. I ran a couple just to be sure. I've verified the backups with BackupLoupe and entered the Time Machine, all appears to be in order and as expected. The only odd side effect is that the backup volume is no longer ejected after completion but that might just be an artifact of all my mounting/de-mounting and playing with Finder. Anyway a very small price to pay for what looks to be a working system again.
Hopefully the good behavior will last through a few days and a few reboots :-)
ps - if you're reading this and don't know about the troublshooting guide it's here: http://web.me.com/pondini/Time_Machine/Troubleshooting.html (thanks pondini)

Upgraded to Lion and now Safari doesn't work wifi is having problems and...

I excitedly upgraded to Lion after upgrading to Snow Leopard but now I'm having problems Safari, WiFi and launching Content Barrier from my Intego Internet Security Package. Snow Leopard was perfect but Lion has been giving me some grief. I'm a little disappointed. I have read that most people have had problems with Lion but I honestly thought it would be ok. But it seems that this upgrade isn't worth all the hype it has made. I was so excited but feel a littlest down. I don't think I should be spending all this time trying to find a solution to these issues ...it's such a huge chunk out of my time that I could spend working.
Can someone please lead me in the right direction :((

Uninstall the Intego software and see if that helps. I suspect it will.
If not, see Understanding upgrade nightmares for more suggestions.
(Note that my pages contain links to other pages that promote my services, and this should not be taken as an endorsement of my services by Apple.)

I recently upgraded to Lion and my 2004 Microsoft Office no longer functions. So all of my word docs are unreadable with the Lion system. If I buy pages, will they be converted? Also, I used Microsoft Word for editing docs, making comments and tracking

I need help. All of my word docs from Microsoft word 2004 cannot be read in Lion. I can't believe I'll have to pay for a Word upgrade. Is it worth it? Is pages as good? Will all of my docs be recognized once I upgrade to the current word or Pages? I tried Open Office, but that doesn't synch all of the previous Word docs, it needs to be done one doc at a time.

deeners wrote:
It would have been nice to know this before buying a $29 upgrade to Lion. Which now will add a necessary $150 upgrade. Some people may have waited to upgrade to Lion had they known this.
The fact that Lion is unable to run PowerPC only applications is publicized for months.
I'm sure that it's well known in the heart of Amazonian forest
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 27 juillet 2011 22:24:14
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0
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To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

Has anyone lost any of their info or ANYTHING while upgrading to Lion?

I'm really interested in upgrading, but im afraid to lose anything on my computer.
i.e.: my music, documents, and pictures.
I know they say to back up the computer, but i dont have the extra $70-$100 to spare and get a external hard drive.
I also know it is worth it because in case something does get lost.... but i'm just wondering if there are any cases at all that someone lost stuff so maybe i can do it not worry about losing anything.
Any bugs in the new operating system??
thanks :-)

agrande wrote:
I know they say to back up the computer, but i dont have the extra $70-$100 to spare and get a external hard drive.
Any bugs in the new operating system??
Ouch that's bad!
There are only two kinds of hard drives in the world. (1) Those that have failed, and (2) those that are about to fail. There is no category #3. If you really value your data, you'll back it up.
I did not lose any "data" during my upgrade, but I did find a few apps that didn't work so well. I also take precautions prior to a backup.
#1 - I go through each of my apps (anything that I'd use) and check to make sure I'm running the latest version. Anything that needs an update gets it... especially because many of these updates are designed to fix Lion compatibility problems (it's possible that some apps wont work anymore or wont work correctly and this step minimizes that possibility.)
#2 - I run Disk Utility (it's in your "Utilities" folder), select your internal hard drive, and have it do a "Repair Permissions" as well as a "Verify Disk". Repair Permissions will find some errors (it will take a while to run... possibly 10-15 minutes depending on the speed of your hard drive and your mac). "Verify Disk" should not find ANY errors. If it does, it means the filesystem is damaged and needs to be repaired. It is so unusual for a "Verify Disk" to find errors, as well as the nature of the HFS+ filesystem (with "Journaling") to not self-detect and repair it's own errors, that the presence of errors is a very bad sign... and may be a warning sign to something more ominous (it is often the forewarning that the whole drive is about to fail.) If "Verify Disk" detects any problems, do NOT attempt to upgrade to Lion. The filesystem must be repaired before you go any further.
#3 - I run a backup... actually I run two backups. I tell Time Machine to run one final backup and I also use a utility named "Super Duper!" which makes a bootable clone of my internal hard drive (meaning, if the Lion upgrade were to go horribly wrong for some reason... I could always just boot off the hard drive which still contains Snow Leopard and operate that way if I needed to.)
I have now upgraded 4 of my 6 macs (the last two have not yet been upgraded yet, but eventually I'll do them as well.)
The 'Roaring Apps' website contains a very very long list of apps and indicates whether or not they are working correctly under Lion. If you haven't yet found this site and/or checked it out, you should do that BEFORE you upgrade. Just check to see if any of the apps you currently rely on are on that list and whether the list indicates that the app works with no problems, has issues, or doesn't work at all. I was not able to find a single app that I use that was not already on the list (it's a fairly comprehensive list). Of the apps I use, two of them had issues. Both products recently received updates that fixed the remaining issues and I was able to upgrade the Mac I use for my job (I wouldn't upgrade until everything was reported as working AND still insisted on two reliable backups so that I could revert back to Snow Leopard "just in case".)
You can find the list here: http://roaringapps.com/

Why upgrade to Lion?

Why upgrade to Lion from Snow Leopard?

Why? In case you want any of Lion's new features, and don't mind what is taken away.
Not worth it for many, including me, but plenty worth it for many more, maybe even you. It's only $29.

Adobe CS6 not available for OS Leopard. Worth upgrading?

I love OS Leopard (I'm 10.8) and I love Spaces, something which I think vanishes with higher OSes—though maybe only Lion.
I'm very much interested in getting CS6 when it's released, and wouldn't mind trying the beta, but it's for 10.6.8 and above. Is OS Leopard really worth dumping just to use the latest and greatest Adobe software?
Tbh, I'm disappointed that OS 10.5 is being forgotten so soon. It was only a matter of time, I suppose. I just like being stable for years, not always upgrading and re-learning new OSes.

I think you mean 10.5.8. 10.8 isn't out yet. As for CS6, not being out yet, we can't comment on whether something is worth it. While betas are still out there, they are subject to feedback from their testers. If you want a beta when it is finalized to become available for older operating systems or older machines, contact the vendor of that beta and say so in their feedback page.
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2455 will tell you if it is worth your while to upgrade to Snow Leopard.
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2465 will tell you if it is worth your while to upgrade to Lion.
For Apple product feedback post to http://www.apple.com/feedback/ For Adobe feedback, post to https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

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