1080i60 to 720p24

I recently purchased a small Sony camera (HDR-HC7) and want to try to match the size and frame rate of some of my HVX200 shots. Is there a preferred way to make this transition? It's just home movie stuff, so I'm not concerned with the HDV quality, however, going from 60i to 24p is not looking too good. I'm not up to FCP 6 yet (I'm currently using FCP 5.1.4) but will be doing that in the next couple of months. Is Compressor best? FCP Export best? Totally subjective?
What I've done so far looks great converted down from 1080 to 720, but I'm getting "shuttering" with action scenes. Is there a "pull down" required?
Please don't flame me, I already know I'm an idiot. I would just like some advice. BTW, the reason I want to do this conversion is so I can show my home videos on my AppleTV and it maxes out at 720p24--30p is too much for it to handle.

Given the OP wants to go to 720p24 because 720p30 is too much for Apple TV to handle, I don't think converting 720p24 to 1080i60 via 3:2 pulldown would be advisable. Pulldown is a right pain for any kind of modern distribution method and should not be put onto video unless absolutely necessary, and preferably so you can have a clean pulldownless master for DVD / web distribution.
For 1080i60i to 720p24, compressor will do it, but will be rather slow. If you need to get it done on time, I'd recommend my Standards Conversion plugin which does do a rather nice 1080i60 to 720p24 conversion (make sure you set field order to upper).
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