7.2.1 - AirDisk won't spin down under Tiger?

It seems that when the airdisk is mounted under my Tiger machine using AEBSn firmware 7.2.1, it does not spin down. However, when I unmount it, it eventually spins down. On my Leopard machine, even with it still mounted, it eventually spins down.
Any ideas? Thanks.

Just confirmed again. My leopard macbook with the airdisk mounted will still allow it to spin down. however, with my tiger machine mounting the airdisk, it NEVER spins down, even when i'm away from the computer, unless i unmount it in tiger.
is this a known issue in 7.2.1 when drives are mounted under tiger? if so, i'll try 7.1.1 again. thanks.

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Contributed by Fumiaki Kawashima a Level 4 here;
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