8mm film scanned - DV or HDV format - which is better?

I have about 8000 feet of very old home movies I am
going to get scanned by one of the many companies out
there that provide this service. Some will scan and
dump DV format, other will dump HDV format.
Since I'm not doing the capture and I want to use FCP
to edit and do the final composing what are the
advantages/pitfalls of the different formats? I am a
nuibe when it comes to FCP and video editing for that
matter but it appears, at least to me from what I've
read, that DV works with FCP better for editing as it
is true frame by frame reproduction. HDV on the
other hand I can only edit the i-Frames and I believe
I need to do a transcode or something on that order
to work with it FCP. Is this true?
MacMini, MacPro Mac OS X
(10.4.9) Linux FC5, FC6 servers
I think you should make the most of this situation and go with Studio X's suggestion to DVCPRO HD and find a way to archive to tape or Blueray for backup. You will like the all I frame editing. If you can only find HDV 1080i you will be able to down convert with a rental Sony HDV camera to DV. Edit now in DV and have HDV on mini-dv tape for your family’s future needs. This is a no brainier. HDV is only the beginning of highly compressed formats to come and it really looks beautiful. HDV is a great acquisition method. Plus you can have HDV captured to DVCPRO HD. Have one reel done at the local place and see for yourself.
Good Luck
Z1&V1user

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Really depends on the end-quality that you want (and how careful you want your films to be handled.)
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The best & most expensive way of transferring S8 to video is with a machine that uses a wet gate technology. This is very gentle on the film, gets rid of dirt and scratches, and gives amazing results. But your wallet won´t like it.
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(And yes, they work on Macs; doing the finishing in FCP gives that extra edge.) Always good idea to add projector sound on a low level.
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Hi(Bonjour)!
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Bob
What do you have now.....
What computer operating system do you have?
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"Adobe Premiere Elements - Media Downloader" and its Advanced dialog.
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ATR

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I'm going to have my dad transfer all of the family 8mm films at a professional transfer place. (8mm, mind you, NOT Super8) to DVD. I'd like to have uncompressed (HD) files so that someday in the future I can put them into imovie. For now, my dad would like them all on DVD.
What do I have my dad tell the guy at the transfer house in terms of transferring and format? Will this take a huge, huge drive for all the files? How many Gigs per hour of 8mm film?
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I did a project like that earlier this year. [Details here|http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=11284809&#11284809]
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I had 400 feet of 8mm transferred to DVD But IMovie won’t accept it. Says QuickTime can’t parse it.
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I still have over 7,000 feet of 8 and super 8 film to work with so, if anyone has a suggestion I’d very much appreciate it?
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A fascinating project!
My older brother had 4 hours of (silent) 8mm cine film dating back to 1958-1980 (when he finally bought a video camera!). He wanted me to convert them to carefully edited DVDs, with music, sound effects, titles and so on. Like a madman I accepted the challenge! To make life easier he lives in Belgium and uses a PC!
The process, to cut this short, was as follows:
At considerable expense he had all the film transferred to four DVDs in some PC-only friendly mpeg codec, and sent them to me.
I used Streamclip and the Apple mpeg thingy (saving time by not loking it up) to convert these to Quicktime DV files. To make life even easier, the Belgian moron who did the conversion to DVDs had not done so in chronologal order!
That made for a very large QT file, which I imported into iMovie, and set about carving it into date order, re-exporting the various years to QT as individual files, and then importing into iMovie projects to edit.
Only a couple of months later I had it organised into three projects, each of an hour or so, beautifully edited with titles, transitions, music, sound effects and other bells and whistles, and burnt them to 3 DVDs. I was generally agreed that I deserved an Oscar for technical merit!
That was just to let you know that it can be done!
Your only real hurdle is the copy protection. Can you get a fresh set that is NOT copy protected?
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How To Transfer 8mm film to DVD

HI,
My Mom just gave me a bag of 8mm and super 8mm film reels. I want desperately to figure out how to get them into my mac for editing.
She does not have the projector any more.
Can anyone advice me on a course of action. I know I can go have them done some where but I would rather figure it out and do it myself.
Do I need to go buy a projector? If so, is there a specific projector I should be looking for?
Once I have the projector, how do you get it into your mac? adapter, go between?
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Start looking at links from this site:
http://www.moviestuff.tv/
As people are alluding to above, you'll have to decide how pristine of a transfer you want. I would advise looking into local companies if you're in a decent sized town/city. Then you don't have to worry about where your film will be or go to. Discuss the techniques used with the proprietor. I was able to find a company in Maryland that did a terrific job with stuff going back to the 30s using equipment from Moviestuff. The main thing to keep in mind is that you should NOT attempt to run the films through a normal projector that has a full-brightness bulb, which can result in your film getting cooked instantly due to their age. Also, a quote from one transfer site regarding home projection:
"The films are subjected to the harsh pull-down claw mechanism of a projector that may or may not be in good working order. The films of the participants may leave dirt and debris in the projector that will scratch the subsequently projected films." (see http://www.bonofilm.com/super8reality.asp)
--JV
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This year I would like to convert all my old 8MM film to DVD format for importing to iMovie for editing.
Question: Can the Intel iMacs import from DVDs?
Can anyone provide me with instructions to import from DVDs?
I've tried importing a movie burned in iDVD back into iMovie, but it's just not obvious to me as to how to do it.
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I use a DVD recorder to burn my old camcorder tapes to DVD's, then pop the DVD's in the iMac and use HandBrake to convert them to MPEG-4 befor importing to iMovie!
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I'm using Premiere 12 on Windows 8. I just got a sample from the company that converted 8mm film to 720HD ProRes422.mov onto a DVD.
I loaded into Premiere 12 without problem and can see, edit and publish.
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Good news. That footage is not AVCHD.avi. What you have is MotionJPEG.avi which is usually not good news for Premiere Elements. But, if you can import it in the first place, let us give it a go.
The video is 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97 frames per second. The GSpot codec program does not tell us if interlaced or progressive. The way to determine that for sure is with the MediaInfo readout. But, let us try to avoid that with a "try and see" approach.
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NTSC
AVCHD
Full HD 1080i30
And, we have the correct project preset. What does the playback in the Edit area monitor look like?
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2. In the new Premiere Elements 12 project to its Expert workspace, with the File Menu/New/Project route, manually set the project preset for
NTSC
DSLR
1080p
DSLR 1080p30@ 29.97
Then import the video into the project with Premiere Elements' Add Media/Files and Folders/Project Assets. From Project Assets, drag the video to the Timeline. Does it
have an orange line over its content? If no, then our project preset stays at
NTSC
DSLR
1080p
DSLR 1080p30@ 29.97
There will be no colored line over the Timeline content if we have the right project preset. What does the playback in the Edit area monitor look like?
At this point, please let us know the results, and we will decide what next.
Thanks.
ATR

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Is there anyone out there who scans 8mm film through to the mac? if so, what is a good brand to purchase and do you upload to you digital movie camera and then to imovie?
last qustion - any chance you can purchase a scanner that does slides and 8 mil film. i have bags full of slides and film from my childhood that my dad shot and i really want to get it on dvd.
thanks a million,
movie lady

I believe most scanners have slide adapters that can be purchased. My sister-in-law did all of he fathers old slides this way, but they had to be scanned on at a time. She has patience.
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