Anchor to Paragraph
I need to create a form that will have an input screen, from that input screen, the main document will have the data put in different locations.
Sample, they put in their name, address, city, state and zip.
Text Box with floating field-
Paragraph 1 will contain the name with some extra text.
Text Box with floating field-
Paragraph 2 will contain the State which they are from.
Text Box with floating field-
Paragraph 3 will contain the all the data for name and address.
Text Box with floating field-
This will have name under a line for signature.
I need the paragraph 2 be a certain distance from paragraph 1 and if paragraph 1 expands downward, then paragraph 2 needs to move down the page.
Same goes with all the paragraphs. If there is enough of an expansion on the page to require a second page in the document, then I want to keep certain paragraphs on the same page.
I cannot find any examples of this except subforms on a purchase order. However, I can not make the connection on how this is done.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Doug
Try the opposite approach.
Create a paratag (e.g. table_anchor) that has a negative Space Below (e.g. -12pt) and also starts at the top of the Right page (or any page, as you need). Then set the table to have Space Above equal to anchoring paratags Space Below, i.e. -12pt in this example, and you will get what you want.
No need for tiny fonts in anchors either. This technique causes the content below (paragraph or table) to ride up & on top of the anchoring paragraph. This can be used for many other features in FM, such as background banners on headers, icon graphics placed beside text, etc.
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Make sure the default (anchored table) paragraph format of the first column is "In Column".
Use Graphics > Object Properties to adjust the inside text frame:
Set Width: to your standard text frame total width plus 1 column and 1 gutter (11.37in for this example).
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Insert your table at the anchored table text of the inside text frame.
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Select the internal text frame again.
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have a single-column table that spans multiple columns, and the issue is
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If that is the case, the solution is this:
1. Create a paragraph format called "TableAnchor" in the Paragraph
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line spacing, "Start Anywhere.," "In Column." Assign the font size as
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2. Create your table format. Give it a Space Above of 12.0 pt.
3. Then, always insert your table into its own, empty TableAnchor
paragraph. You will get the alignment you seek.
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Is it possible to skip anchored object from the paragraph tagging it.?
Need Some method using which I can remove the anchored object from paragraph.
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To skip and to remove can differ, so you have to decide what is a goal.
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Something like below??
cut(myGraphicLine)
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Well, following up on the previous posting, I actually did figure out how to make it work but it seems rather inefficient. I can insert a new paragraph right after the paragraph that has the table anchor but when i cut the table, i also cut the paragraph i just created. So to get around that, I create two paragraphs, so that there will be one paragraph left after i do the cut and that is the paragraph that I paste the table into. Once the table is pasted into the new paragraph, I delete the other paragraph that I created.
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I would prefer doing this using a Text Anchor.
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