Any examples of using OVS in interactive forms?

Hi All,
I'm trying to use OVS input help in Adobe forms (which was suggested by OSS support as a workaround to another issue) and I see there some people in this forum asking similar questions but I don't see an answer posted in any of the threads.
When I import the SDN tutorial example for OVS "WebDynpro_OVS_Valuehelp" and I add an interactive form to it and implement a call to the OVS, nothing appears to happen.
Note that the way I implemented it (and the way OSS suggests) is to use the "value help button" from the native pallet and the and then change the Javascript by filling in the field name in this section of code: var fieldName = "*INSERT_NAME_HERE*";
So my question is, can somebody point me to a sample project that I can download and import to show me OVS working in Adobe?
Many thanks,
-Tom

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1) Has or can one use an Adobe Interactive form on a Tablet PC to allow a user to draw, say a small diagram or map, and have that image then stored in an R/3 database?
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1) As far as I know (and can see in Adobe Designer opened at my PC right now) there are no standard controls
in the library that can be used to add drawing (ink) area to the form. Maybe external are available, but unlikely.
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