Apple's lossless and WAV

I've seen a number of postings declaring that Apple's lossless format is identical in quality (but of course smaller in size) compared with WAV.
However, I haven't seen any links to any official statements by Apple or trusted third-party sources on this issue.
I'm not saying that such official data/proof doesn't exist. I just don't know where to find it. Doing a Google search doesn't turn up too much -- just lots more people saying that which is noted above (but without any proof).
Anybody have any links they would care to share...?

Apple Lossless can support 24-bit audio and 5.1 surround. However iTunes only has one setting which is 'automatic'. What automatic means here is 'exactly the same as the original CD' which as already mentioned is 16 bit 44.1KHz stereo for Audio CDs.
iTunes does not itself support SACD or DVD-A (DVD Audio) discs (neither does WMP). In theory since Apple Lossless supports 24-bit and 5.1, suitable software could convert SACD or even DVD-A to Apple Lossless and still remain lossless.
There have been tests done to rip a source (CD) to Apple Lossless and other lossless formats and then convert back to the original format and compare the bits before and after and these have shown that Apple Lossless is genuinely a lossless format, just like the others. As was mentioned some claims are made that WAV or some other specific lossless format sounds better than some other lossless format. I suspect many of these are due to bias (and knowing what format they are listening to) but there are also some alleged claims of doing true blind tests and still 'proving' one lossless format is better than another.
Personally if we believe these claims, I do not believe it is down to the format itself, but more likely down to (in most cases) the conversion back to analog for playback (files maybe digital, but sound waves are analog) and possibly some software behaviour that deliberately or accidently makes changes (e.g. 'sound-levelling', EQ settings, etc.).
Frankly, I regard people who fuss over this (minute) level of alleged difference as suffering from obsessive-compulsive tendencies, they probably also spend hundreds of pounds on special power, HDMI, and speaker cables.
Many massively long threads have been spawned by arguments over perceived audio differences between lossless formats. This poster http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=70950&view=findpost&p =626748 came up with the same approach I thought of (before seeing his) for what should be a scientifically acceptable testing methodology. Basically...
Input File->Application->SPDIF output->SPDIF input->Application->Output File
If the Output File produced for each different lossless format used as an Input File is shown to be bit level identical, then clearly there is no difference and each lossless format is identical. The tester (Alex B) did this on a single computer (using audio loopback) and using two computers and produced identical results each time.
The other scientific approach would be to have a professional sound recording room and waveform analysers, i.e. something us mere mortals do not have access to.

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    For Lion or later:  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6022
    For Mavericks users:
    http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/how-change-admin-password-mac-3535 328/
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    http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipad-iphone/news/?newsid=3463233&olo=email
    If it's running Mac OS X 10.6.8 or earlier, insert a Mac OS X install DVD, restart with the Option key held down, click on it, and use the Reset Password utility.
    If it's running Mac OS X 10.7 or newer, restart with the Command and R keys held down, open the Terminal, and use the resetpassword command:
    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4101

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    My main question is how can I have a valid Apple ID and not an iCloud account--if the two are supposed to be linked?
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    So I went online, thinking I needed a separate iCloud Apple ID, but it prompted me for my current Apple ID and gave me the message about my ID being "valid" but not an iCloud account," which, lol, was what it had asked me to do in order to create one. I checked, and at least one other user is having the same issue. I'll attempt to copy/paste the Support request url: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4430653?tstart=0
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