ASM and Patching

Say I'm running RAC and ASM across two nodes. I install ASM in its own home and run the listener out of that home and the database and RAC are in their own home. What is my patching order or will that be dictated by the specific patch? Which home do I patch first or does it matter?
I read that it is advised to run ASM in a separate home if multiple databases are going to be using ASM and I'm wondering how patching is managed at that point since there are now two Oracle homes to be patched instead of one.
Thanks.

I hope there are three Oracle homes given that you also have CRS_HOME.
You patch in the order directed by the written instructions that come with the patch.
Given that you didn't include a specific patch number, much less a version number, no other help is possible.

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ASM and Patch

Dears,
I have database 10gR3 with ASM. I need to apply patch 5155885. I made those steps:
1. Shutdown database (orcl)
2. Install patch (successfully)
3. I tried to start db, but with errors:
SQL> startup
ORA-01078: failure in processing system parameters
ORA-01565: error in identifying file '+DATA/orcl/spfileorcl.ora'
ORA-17503: ksfdopn:2 Failed to open file +DATA/orcl/spfileorcl.ora
RA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [733], [1330795280], [top uga
      heap], [], [], [], [], []
ORA-06544: PL/SQL: internal error, arguments: [], [interpreter cannot interpret
      pcode], [], [], [], [], [], []
ORA-06512: at line 4
And database couldn't be mounted. I had to unistall this patch.
Do you have any advice?
Thanks

Maybe, if ASM has the same ORACLE_HOME as the database instance. If I understand you correctly the problem disappeared after you removed the patch. So you could try it again with ASM closed.
Werner

RAC with ASM and without ASM

Hi all,
we planing to install RAC 11g instance active/active . and we are using SAN storage RAID 10.
I know ASM is nice feature . but it need more maintenance in future . This is what I see
it from Manual and training . for patching ..... because it maintain as instance.
why I do need ASM since I have SAN and I can control mirroring ...etc
I need sold answer here ?? why I need to use this feature that already can be covered using another facility like SAN.
Best Regards,

What I have found in a RAC world is there is maintenance no matter which way you go, A cluster file system will require upgrades, patches, etc. RAW volumes will require extra effort in allocation, etc. as well as increase the number of files in the database. ASM requires additional instance on each node to maintain which is quite simple and rolling patches in ASM is becoming reality slowly. I have found that removing the management of RAW volumes is more trouble then the maintenance of the ASM instances and the added benefits of ASM outweigh the maintenance for sure. I found that the cluster file system mainteance is pretty well a wash.
As for ASM being widely used, the most recent RAC clusters (last 3) I have built have all been ASM....... 1 on HPUX and 2 on Linux (Red Hat and Oracle Enterprise Linux) and future clusters coming up that I know of are all going to be ASM as well. While it may be true that a lot of existing RAC environments have not yet gone to ASM almost all new RAC environments are. It is certainly taking hold. If you look at the effort on a large database to move to ASM from RAW volumes or cluster file system it can appear to be a lot of work and that is true, but in the long run my experience with ASM has been positive therefore I would not hesitate to recommend new RAC clusters be built with ASM and existing clusters should have a migration plan in place. As with some cluster file systems like veritas, GPFS, etc. There is addtional cost involved where ASM does not have the additional cost so moving existing clusters can save $$........ RAM volumne management may not fall on the DBA but someone has to manage all those volumnes at a SAN level and that is additional management just may not really be with the DBA.
Just my additional 2 cents worth.
Hope this helps.

Pros and Cons of installing CRS, ASM and DB in separate homes

Planning to install 11gR1 RAC a 2 nodes on HPUX IA64 and there are several architecture options:
Option 1: same owner and one single home (home1 = crs asm db)
pros - easier to patch on single home
cons - patch level may be required at crs level but not allowed at db level because of E-Business Suite certification constraints
Option 2: same owner and 2 homes (home1 = crs / home2 = asm db)
pros - one less home to upgrade
cons - ?
Option 3: same owner and 2 homes (home 1 = crs asm / home2 = db)
Is there any reason why Option 3 would be preferable or worse than Option 2?
Option 4: same owner and 3 homes (crs home / asm home / db home)
pros - each home can be on different patch levels
cons - more storage, more maintenance when patching
Any comments?

I've made my decision to use Option 2 and here's why...
Excerpt from Known issues documented in
810663.1 11.1.0.X CRS Bundle Patch Information
CRS Bundle Patch has been renamed as CRS PSU. CRS PSU and Database PSU are two separate patches, i.e. Database PSU does NOT include the CRS PSU.
There should be no conflict or overlap between a CRS PSU and an RDBMS PSU -- both should be applied to the ASM and DATABASE Homes.
Also note that CRS PSU's can be applied to all homes (CRS, ASM and RDBMS). The general recommendation is to apply the bundle patch to all homes unless the homes are on a different patch level. This is because there are clusterware binaries in the database home (e.g.: srvctl).
PSUs for the RDBMS should be applied to the ASM and RDBMS homes.

The Script root.sh problem - ora.asm and ASM and Clusterware Stack failed

Folks,
Hello. I am installing Oracle 11gR2 RAC using 2 VMs (rac1 and rac2) whose OS are Oracle Linux 5.6 in VMPlayer according to the website http://appsdbaworkshop.blogspot.com/2011/10/11gr2-rac-on-linux-56-using-vmware.html
I am installing Grid infrastructure. On step 9 of 10 - execute script /u01/app/grid/root.sh for 2 VMs rac1 and rac2.
After run root.sh in rac1 successfully. I run root.sh in rac2 and get an error as below:
[root@rac2 grid]# ./root.sh
Running Oracle 11g root.sh script...
The following environment variables are set as:
ORACLE_OWNER= ora11g
ORACLE_HOME= /u01/app/grid
Enter the full pathname of the local bin directory: [usr/local/bin]: /usr/local/bin
Copying dbhome to /usr/local/bin ...
Copying oraenv to /usr/local/bin ...
Copying coraenv to /usr/local/bin ...
Creating /etc/oratab file...
Entries will be added to the /etc/oratab file as needed by
Database Configuration Assistant when a database is created
Finished running generic part of root.sh script.
Now product-specific root actions will be performed.
2012-03-05 16:32:52: Parsing the host name
2012-03-05 16:32:52: Checking for super user privileges
2012-03-05 16:32:52: User has super user privileges
Using configuration parameter file: /u01/app/grid/crs/install/crsconfig_params
Creating trace directory
LOCAL ADD MODE
Creating OCR keys for user 'root', privgrp 'root'..
Operation successful.
Adding daemon to inittab
CRS-4123: Oracle High Availability Services has been started.
ohasd is starting
CRS-4402: The CSS daemon was started in exclusive mode but found an active CSS daemon on node rac1, number 1, and is terminating
An active cluster was found during exclusive startup, restarting to join the cluster
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.mdnsd' on 'rac2'
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.mdnsd' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.gipcd' on 'rac2'
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.gipcd' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.gpnpd' on 'rac2'
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.gpnpd' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.cssdmonitor' on 'rac2'
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.cssdmonitor' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.cssd' on 'rac2'
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.diskmon' on 'rac2'
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.diskmon' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.cssd' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.ctssd' on 'rac2'
Start action for octssd aborted
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.ctssd' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.drivers.acfs' on 'rac2'
CRS-2672: Attempting to start 'ora.asm' on 'rac2'
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.drivers.acfs' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2676: Start of 'ora.asm' on 'rac2' succeeded
CRS-2664: Resource 'ora.ctssd' is already running on 'rac2'
CRS-4000: Command Start failed, or completed with errors.
Command return code of 1 (256) from command: /u01/app/grid/bin/crsctl start resource ora.asm -init
Start of resource "ora.asm -init" failed
Failed to start ASM
Failed to start Oracle Clusterware stack
[root@rac2 grid]#
As we see the output above, at the end of the output
1) Start of resource ora.asm -init failed
2) Failed to start ASM
3) Failed to start Oracle Clusterware stack
The runInstaller is in the first VM rac1. My question is:
Do any folk understand how to solve the script root.sh in rac2 problem ( 3 fails of ora.asm, ASM and Clusterware stack as above) ?
Thanks.

Please check there is no firewall exist:
try this like:
root.sh fails on second node
MOS note:
11gR2 Grid: root.sh Fails to Start the Clusterware on the Second Node Due to Firewall on Private Network [ID 981357.1]
Grid Infrastructure 11.2.0.2 Installation or Upgrade may fail due to Multicasting Requirement [ID 1212703.1] (Most probabily this issue)

How to find out the IPS and DS Service Pack and patch levels in windows server.

Hi,
I have installed the Information Platform Services 4.0 and Data services 4.0 in windows QA system, now we need to install the same version of IPS & DS in windows PRD system for this how could we find out the exact version of IPS & DS ( Service pack and patch levels ) and where we can find the same.
Many Thanks,
Sudheer

Hi Sudheer,
On a Windows Operating Systems you can check the “Programs and Features” in control panel.You can see a list of both the Name and Version number of SAP BusinessObjects that is installed.
option 2:
Open CMC go to Settings. In the properties, you will find the Product Version.
Please check below SAP notes for more information.
http://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/1602088
Regards,
Pavan

Difference between service pack and Patch in XI

What is the difference between Service Pack(SP) AND Patch ??
e.g SP12, Patch8.
Is it like that when there is a major change they will issue SP and
for a small change they will issue patch ?? or after number of patches
they will issue SP combining all the patches ??
Service Pack level can be seen from SAP gui system..>status.
But Patch level where can we see ?? what is the Tcode for that ?? or just we got
to go through below links ??
http://<host>:<j2ee_http_port>/sap/monitoring/ComponentInfo
also
http://<host>:<j2ee_http_port>/sap/monitoring/SystemInfo for core system info (J2EE or JVM patch level, etc.)
thanks
kumar

Hello,
A service pack (in short SP) is a collection of updates, fixes and/or enhancements to a software program delivered in the form of a single installable package. Service packs are usually numbered, and thus shortly referred to as SP1, SP2, etc. It is notable that they may bring, besides bug fixes, entirely new features
A patch (sometimes called a "fix") is a quick-repair job for a piece of programming. During a software product's beta test distribution or try-out period and later after the product is formally released, problems (called bug) will almost invariably be found. A patch is the immediate solution that is provided to users; it can sometimes be downloaded from the software maker's Web site. The patch is not necessarily the best solution for the problem and the product developers often find a better solution to provide when they package the product for its next release.

Update and Patch download errors (CC 2014)

Hi all, this was initially meant to be a customer support chat, but it seems to be unavailable currently, so I'll ask on here instead.
The issue is happening on Creative Cloud (1.7.1.418)
I am running Mac OSX Mavericks (version 10.9.4), early 2011 model, 2GHz Intel Core i7 Processor, 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 Memory
The Creative Cloud app is showing 6 updates. The updates are as follows...
Premier Pro CC (2014) : Adobe Premier Pro CC 2014.0.1 Update
Photoshop CC (2014) : Photoshop Camera Raw 8.5 (CC)
InDesign CC (2014) : DPS Desktop Tools CC2014 31.0.1 Update
Flash Professional CC and Mobile Device Packaging (2014) : Flash Professional CC Update - July 2014, as well as Photoshop Camera Raw 8.5(CC)
Media Encoder CC (2014) : Adobe Media Encoder CC (2014.0.1)
After Effects CC (2014) : Photoshop Camera Raw 8.5(CC)
When I click the update button on any of these updates, I almost instantly receive an 'Update Failed' message.
Upon clicking the 'Learn More' option, it reads 'Update Failed - Download Error. Press Retry to try again or contact customer support.(49).
When Retrying, the same happens every time.
It also affects newly installed apps. This morning when installing Bridge CC, the app itself downloaded fine, but an error message saying 'Instillation Succeeded, but a patch failed - Download Error. Press Retry to try again or contact customer support.(49).' appeared.
It has been doing this for a fair few months now, having hoped upgrading from the CC apps to the new CC 2014 apps would fix it.. These updates themselves are also quite sporadic in their appearance. When I shut down my Mac and restart it, the updates often disappear, with an 'all apps are up to date' message in their place. They only then reappear when downloading a new app, or a more up-to-date update becomes available.
I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the apps multiple times, but nothing changes. In the past, I have tried manually downloading and installing the updates and patches through the website, though that too gave me an error message. I have switched off my firewall on occasion, as well as allowed all Adobe apps to be allowed through, though this does not seem to have any effect. I have tried it in multiple locations, being connected to multiple routers, so I do not believe it is a router issue. I am a student, so not connected to any companies that may be blocking access. I have also had a brief look at install logs in the past, though I am not particularly tech savvy when It comes to that sort of thing. I have also seen people recommend trying to update in root user mode, though I am not particularly comfortable with that, as I have been told It's not a good idea to mess about as a root user when you don't really know what you're doing
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Cheers
James

Creative Cloud chat support (all Creative Cloud customer service issues)
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/service-ccm.html

ISW 6.0 and patch 119214 (NSS/NSPR/JSS) will it ever be solved

I am just wondering if the problem with ISW 6 and patch 119214-19 and higher will ever be fixed.
Sun bugid: 6862663
Synopsis: ISW core install breaks dsadm
ld.si.1: libnss3.so: version NSS_3.12 not found (require by file /var/mps/serverroot/lib/libss13.so)
I have al always got over the problem by not install the patch and staying at version -17, but version -19 is installed by default on the latest version of Solaris.
Setup is:
Solaris 10 10/09
DSEE 7.0
ISW 6
The who installation completly fails since patch 119214-19 is installed. I guess this software (ISW) must be EOL since it would not pass the default install testers..
I have fixed the problem by coping files from an older installationed and putting the files back after the ISW installtion finished..
Come on we need a fix or release ISW 6.3....
Thanks
Andrew

And the corresponding patches for Solaris 9 SPARC, 119211-xx, continue to break DS5.2 :(

Installation and deployment of operating system, applications and patches in Unix environment

Is it possible to use Configuration Manager 2012 (or 2012 R2) to perform remote installation of operating system, applications and patching in a Unix environment?
Balaji Kundalam

ConfigMgr does not support Operating System Deployment for non-Windows OS flavors.
You can use the ConfigMgr client on a Unix device to install applications and to instruct the device to install patches. Basically, the client will download files and run a script against them. If there is a patch manager in your flavor of *nix, you
can run a script to install the patches.
See the supported operating systems here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg682077.aspx#BKMK_SupConfigLnUClientReq
I hope that helps,
Nash
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About ASM and SAN...

Hello Guys,
I have to implement 3 nodes RAC 10gR2 ob centOS4 operating system. I have study so many documents about rac instaltion and configurations. I have learn how to set the network requirements with private, public and virtual IPs and all other stuff. I have learn installtion of clusterware and database with cluster enable functionality.
BUT the storage options are still not clear to me. We have purchases SAN and we are planning to implement ASM for the storage. Now i want to know:
How many disk and disk partitions 3 node structure will require on SAN?
How ASM will access SAN, or you can say OS will access this shared storage?
Voting disk and OCR can not be store on sharted storage and need to be store on raw devices... what these raw device can be? How it can be access by all nodes?
Above three questions are disturbing me a lot. If they are clear to me the whole storage concept will be clear and i can implement RAC.
Please help me by answering the above 3 questions. I will be vert greatful to you.
Regards,
Imran

How many disk and disk partitions 3 node structure will require on SAN?
There's no real answer to that! With Oracle generally, RAC or no RAC, the answer to how many disks you should have is "as many as possible". Partitioning is really up to you, too, depending on what you find easiest to manage. If you have a single SAN array, for example, comprised of 15 disks that you choose to partition into three or four logical volumes so that you can call one 'data', one 'redo', one 'OS', and one 'other' -that's entirely up to you, since Oracle could care less how you partition, what you call them or how many of them there are. Moreover, everything on every partition is being striped across those 15 disks anyway, so who cares?
I think, however, you might be thinking of the RAC-specific issues of the voting disk and the Oracle Cluster Registry. If you were using a cluster file system, they could be just two files on the file system, about 120M in size between them. Since you are going to use ASM and these two elements can't be stored inside an ASM array, you'll have to create two raw partitions for this purpose. The rest you then chop up for ASM's use.
It is NOT true, incidentally, that "Voting disk and OCR can not be store on sharted storage". By definition, the voting disk and OCR must be on shared storage! Indeed, raw partitions, ASM arrays and cluster file systems are ALL shared storage technologies. It just so happens that those two files can't use ASM... but raw or cfs are fine.
A raw partition is not, of course, intrinsically 'shared storage'... but if it's a raw partition on your SAN, to which all three of your nodes are physically attached, then it is shareable. It's shareable simply because three nodes can see it. And because there's no file system there with exclusive and blocking file locks, what one node does to a raw partition doesn't stop another node accessing it simultaneously (which is the definition of shared storage, of course).
How will ASM access SAN? By you partitioning the SAN into a number of logical volumes, each one of which will be kept raw, and you then declaring each such volume as a candidate disk. You'll wrap all candidate disks up into an ASM disk group... and then Oracle will write to that disk group and hence through to the underlying logical volumes. Which comes back to the original question: how many logical volumes should you create out of, say, a 15 disk LUN on a SAN?
Depends, as I said, on a lot of things, but for example RAID5 runs best when there are either 5 or 9 disks in the array (or did when last I looked at an EMC Clariion SAN!). So if your underlying RAID technology was going to be RAID5, you might well create 3 5-disk logical volumes on the one LUN. To let ASM use all 15 disks, you'd then create a 3-disk diskgroup (where 1 ASM disk = 1 SAN logical volume). On the other hand, you might want to keep some disks back for future storage, in which case a 1-disk ASM diskgroup representing a single 9-disk logical volume might be the go, with the remaining 6 disks on the LUN available for future expansion.
It's a complicated topic, unfortunately. You're dealing with physical storage which is already abstracted into logical volumes and then abstracted even further by wrapping those logical volumes up into ASM disk groups. You balance performance, expandability, management convenience, your SAN vendor's optimisation tricks and so on... and hopefully come out with something that works for you!

Adding Index server to existing farm, "Server Farm Product and Patch Status" returned 34 Missing Locally required products and patches

Once I connected my new server to my farm's config db, it returned all of the following missing locally. I stripped out any redundancies and Headings, and I'm left with 43. I'm looking for a efficient strategy. Should I start with the lowest version number
and work my way up? Current DB version is 14.0.7015.1000. IIRC, SP2 is cumulative, so can I ignore the first two (SP1 and Hotfix), install SP2, and then the Language packs and etc on top?
Sorted by version:
Microsoft SharePoint 2010 Service Pack 1 (SP1) (14.0.6029.1000)
Hotfix for Microsoft SharePoint Server 2010 (KB2775353) 64-Bit Edition (14.0.6105.5000)
Service Pack 2 for Microsoft SharePoint 2010 (KB2687453) 64-Bit Edition (14.0.7015.1000)
Service Pack 2 for Microsoft 2010 Server Language Pack (KB2687462) 64-Bit Edition (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Office Server Proof (English) 2010 (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Office Server Proof (French) 2010 (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Office Server Proof (Russian) 2010 (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Office Server Proof (Spanish) 2010 (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft SharePoint Portal (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft User Profiles (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft SharePoint Portal English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Shared Components (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Shared Coms English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Slide Library (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft InfoPath Forms Services (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft InfoPath Form Services English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Word Server (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Word Server English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
PerformancePoint Services for SharePoint (14.0.7015.1000)
PerformancePoint Services in SharePoint 1033 Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Visio Services English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Visio Services Web Front End Components (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Excel Services Components (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Document Lifecycle Components (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Excel Services English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Search Server 2010 Core (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Search Server 2010 English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Document Lifecycle Components English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Slide Library English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft SharePoint Server 2010 (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Access Services Server (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Access Services English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Web Analytics Web Front End Components (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Web Analytics English Language Pack (14.0.7015.1000)
Microsoft Excel Mobile Viewer Components (14.0.7015.1000)
Recommendations?
Thanks,
Scott

Thanks guys. I was able to get through all of the patches except for
Language Pack for SharePoint, Project Server and Office Web Apps 2010 - English missing locally
Language Pack for SharePoint, Project Server and Office Web Apps 2010 -
Spanish/Español missing locally
This was my process:
Config Wizard:
Adding Index server to existing farm, "Server Farm Product and Patch Status" returned 34 Missing Locally required products and patches.
SKIP installing the following two, as SP2 is cumulative
Microsoft SharePoint 2010 Service Pack 1 (SP1) (14.0.6029.1000) (officeserver2010sp1-kb2460045-x64-fullfile-en-us.exe)
Hotfix for Microsoft SharePoint Server 2010 (KB2775353) 64-Bit Edition (14.0.6105.5000)
install SP2 oserversp2010-kb2687453-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe
install oslpksp2010-kb2687462-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe
Got "There are no products affected by this package installed on this system."
SO!
Uninstalled Sharepoint 2010 Server
WIll try to install again, without skipping #2, and reorder installation of oslpksp2010-kb2687462-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe
Retry (the long way):
Run SharePointServer.exe, get Missing Locally...
Install oslpksp2010-kb2687462-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe SUCCESSFUL
Install officeserver2010sp1-kb2460045-x64-fullfile-en-us.exe SUCCESSFUL
Reboot
Install oserversp2010-kb2687453-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe SUCCESSFUL
Rerun Config
STILL MISSING
Download oslpksp2010-kb2687462-fullfile-x64-es-es.exe, run, "there are no products affected..."
Uninstall.
Re-retried, only got through the first couple:
Run SharePointServer.exe, get Missing Locally...
Install SP1 officeserver2010sp1-kb2460045-x64-fullfile-en-us.exe, SUCCESSFUL
Install English Lang Pack oslpksp2010-kb2687462-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe, "There are no products affected by this package installed on this system."
Install Spanish Lang Pack oslpksp2010-kb2687462-fullfile-x64-es-es.exe,
Install SP2 oserversp2010-kb2687453-fullfile-x64-en-us.exe, run Config Wizard
I'm now downloading 462150_intl_x64_zip.exe, going to try and install it as step three.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Scott

Migrating Non ASM, Non RMAN to New Server with ASM and RMAN - Possible?

We currently have a database ( Oracle 10g R1 ) on a Sun Solaris server that is NOT using ASM or RMAN. The database is about 300GB. We are getting a new server and we want to install Oracle 10g R2 with ASM and RMAN and migrate the database.
I have seen the documentation on migrating non ASM to an ASM server but the methods all use RMAN. Is it possible to migrate to an ASM database without using RMAN? Would datapump import/export work if I created a new database on the new server with all the same tablespaces? Or, do I have to bite the bullet, install RMAN on the old server and do the backup?
Thanks.

If you're not using RMAN that doesn't mean you can't use it to perform a single backup, rman is contained in every oracle RDBMS installation version 10G or higher.
this is only a sample of how to do it
RMAN> CONFIGURE CHANNEL DEVICE TYPE DISK FORMAT '<file_system_path>/%U.DBF';
--first we allocate the channel default channel.
RMAN>RUN
ALLOCATE CHANNEL DEFAULTCHANNEL TYPE DISK;
SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE;
STARTUP MOUNT;
BACKUP DATABASE;
SHUTDOWN
}then once you have it, you can do what you want.
It should also be possible to manually restore the database from the original datafiles but it's better to follow the solution involving RMAN.
Bye Alessandro

Best Practice: SAPGUI Version and Patch Upgrades

Hello -
Does anyone have some thoughts/information on best practices relating to SAPGUI version and patch upgrades.
Obviously, sometimes upgrades are forced upon us (e.g. 7.10 for Vista) and in other cases it may just be considered "nice to have".
Either way - it always signifies regression test and deployment effort. How do we balance the benefit and cost?
Thanks, Steve

Hi Steve,
you're right for the first part, yes, we (usually) patch twice a year.
Now for the rest
An uninstall will only happen on release changes (6.20->6.40->7.10), i. e. about every 4-5 years as SAP releases them.
Patches are applied to the installation server and the setup on the client will only update changed program parts. For example, upgrading 6.40->7.10 took about 10 minutes (incl. uninstall), applying patch 1 less than 5 minutes.
I recommend, you read the "SAP Frontend Installation Guide - 7.10" which you find at SMP alias sapgui. Navigate to Media Library - Literature. It explains setup of the installation server (sounds like a big thing, but ain't much more than creating a share), creating packages, applying updates etc.
Peter
Points always appreciated

HI wat's use of notes and patches in sap why its require..

Hi can anyone give me idea about notes and patches why its required and wat's its effect in technical side and in functional side also..
Thanks & Regards,
Nainesh.

Sorry,The print did not come.
In order to fix one of the problem in R/3 system, SAP will asked you to download an OSS notes which is a ".car" file.
To work with a CAR File do the following at OS Level:
Get into OS as <sapsid>adm
Copy the .CAR file to a Temporary Directory.
Uncompress the file with SAPCAR
Copy the the data file generated in the data transport directory
( ej: = /usr/Sap/trans/data).
Copy the the cofile file generated in the cofiles transport directory
( = ej: /usr/Sap/trans/cofiles).
Run transaction STMS
Upload the support package with SPAM transaction and the support package will show "New support packages".
Examples of CAR command :-
   1) UNIX only:
       Log on as user <sapsid>adm.
       cd /usr/sap/trans
       CAR -xvf tmp/<ARCHIVE_NAME>.CAR -V
   2) Windows NT only:
       Log on as user <SAPSID>ADM.
       cd \USR\SAP\TRANS
       CAR -xvf TMP\<ARCHIVE_NAME>.CAR
This Will create two(2) FILES
After you run SPAM you MUST run STMS and check the transport queues
As per 315963 note you can direct made the changes in the program or you can apply the support pack.
a) If you want to apply correction then first you need to register the object in SAP, so that you will get the Access key and then you can make the changes.
b) If you want to import the support pack then you need to down load from SAP market-place. and this is in CAR file. and then you need extract the same using CAR utility.
ex: CAR -xvf abc.car
or
you can directly apply the patch from SAPGUI, login to 000 client and then you can load the patch from Presentation server.
Also check what is your current basis patch level?
For example if you want to apply patch 07 and you are having 05 then you need to apply 06 and then apply 07.
Things to take note of:-
It would definitely be better to apply the latest spam/saint spam manager, tp, R3trans and possibly a new kernel patch.
This is not a simple task to complete on the fly. By applying SAP support packs, you may run into problems with SPDD and SPAU adjustments. Also include the fact that the support packages may break one of your transactions. You may want to test this in your sandbox environment, if you have one, before tackling it.
In most situation when you apply support packages, it can takes about 3 weeks to fully test the support packages before you can apply them to the production system.
Do test your "golden" transactions to make sure that they are not broken. If you are not familiar with SPDD and/or SPAU adjustments than do not attempt to load support packages.
You may be better off just to modify the SAP object in question via OSS note.

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