Beginners CSS layout question - expanding a layer and not overlapping another

Having got well and truly fed up of using tables to layout
pages I am trying to gem up on CSS layer based layout. All well and
good but despite the various tutorials I can't find an answer to
this question...
Q. I have a layout with layers to make a three column layout,
however, I want to have a footer section at the bottom of the page
that runs the same width as the three columns (you can see my WIP
example here
http://www.spiralfilm.com/clients/broadoak/index_css.html
). Problem is, as the centre section expands with more content, how
do I make that section expand and not overrun the current footer
section? I want it to expand like a table does and push the footer
down.
I'm sure it is simple but I just can't get my head around it!
Thanks in advance for any pointers...

> However, is the use of div tags the way to seperate
blocks of content? The
> DW8
> help file seems a little unclear on this?
Yes, it would be one way to do that. A div tag is simply a
container for
other HTML elements, like a table. The problem you are having
comes with
using DW 'layers' to contain text. As Thierry suggested, this
is because
absolutely positioned elements (i.e., DW 'layers') are
removed from the
normal flow, preventing them from interacting with adjacent
page elements -
this means that when the text inside them expands, it will
begin to overlap
other content. See my demonstration of this here -
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layers-overlap.asp
Try these tutorials -
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html
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> Hi, thanks for those links. Sorry to confess they are
all a little beyond
> my
> knowledge. I will read on and see if I can understand
them.
>
> However, is the use of div tags the way to seperate
blocks of content? The
> DW8
> help file seems a little unclear on this?
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Control over slide audio is very limited, you cannot stop it when another audio clip starts playing. That is only possible with object audio and with audio clips that are played with the commands Play Audio.
Audio Objects: Control them! - Captivate blog

Why are you not working? I can't figure out why this works in 1 doc, and not in another

I'm trying to take info from a cell on 1 spreadsheet and have it populate into a different one (pending if checkbox is true or not). I've been able to do it with 2 files but for some reason this one isn't doing what I need. If the checkbox is unchecked the text should stay in the new spreadsheet cell, if it's checked I want the row removed, but for reason instead of removing the row it just places a 0 in the cell.
This is what I want:
Like I said it works great on the other doc, just not on this new one. (the 2 docs vary with some of the text, but in the second image I've "checkboxed" out some of the text)
Please help!
Thanks!
Nikki

You may have the wrong cell reference (B2) in the second part of your formula. If B2 is empty, the result will be displayed as a 0. Did you mean to have A2 in both parts of the formula?
SG

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