Canon HV20 and Timecode for FCE

Hi,
I noticed in the FCE manual it states: Important: Some HDV camcorders do not record timecode, so you won’t be able to precisely recapture any clips if you delete the corresponding media files."
Does the HV20 record a FCE compatible timecode in both HDV and DV modes? (I searched the forum and didn't find this issue).
Thanks,
Mace

You might want to google that. Or ask on the production forum. Or a DV/HDV forum. Or look in the camera's manual. This forum probably has a small base of HV20 users.
The manual is somewhat misleading. FCE converts HDV to the Apple Intermediate Codec when it captures and the timecode is lost in the conversion process.

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[This article was first published in the Sept/Oct, 2007, issue of
Larry's Final Cut Pro Newsletter.]
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The Easy Setup is "HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".
I don't think shooting in HDV and then converting to SD DV will look any better than normal SD but you will have the HDV master tape which can be used to produce Blu-ray DVDs at a later date when they become cheaper and more popular.
An hour of AIC will take around 40 GB of HD space.
As with everything it is worth doing quick tests involving something unimportant to determine which workflow suits you. Use DVD-RWs when testing to avoid waste.
Remember that you can export your HDV edited project back to tape in your camera and connect it to an HD TV for high definition playback.
I am not too keen on this because of the extra wear it puts on the camera and tape.
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If someone can explain how this works or point to
someplace I can learn some more I would appreciate
it.
My apologies in advance for the long winded post.
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