Clarification needed between NET TIME and W32TIME please.

I have been struggling with the difference between NET TIME and W32TIME. I found the following excellent blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/w32time/archive/2009/08/07/net-time-and-w32time.aspx
I do, however, need some clarification that I'm hoping you guys can help with. Any following conversation assumes a single domain with workstations.
Based on previous knowledge, I always assumed that when running NET TIME on a workstation, it was actually showing which computer on the network this workstation was syncing to. However, it appears that it is actually just looking for the nearest domain
controller (if possible). Is that correct? If so, then NET TIME has no bearing on what the time is set to on the workstation, correct?
With that asked, I suppose I need to focus on W32TIME to configure time on workstations. I typically prefer to point it to the NTP pool available as it has been reliable for me in the past. If I need to focus on W32TIME, is it a preferred method
in domains to configure each and every workstation to point to a NTP internet source via GPO? Alternatively, is there a way to use W32TIME to point to a server to get its time? For example, point a domain server to an internet NTP source, then
configure all workstations to point to that server. If that's possible, is it as simple as specifying the FQDN of the time server in my environment during W32TIME setup instead of an internet NTP server?
Thank you for any clarification, I'm hoping to clear up any confusion I have about time to never have to question it again. I assist in managing many domains and this information will come in very handy.

Hello,
As far as i know net time functions correctly with windows equivalent to win XP.
I will recommend you to configure your domain members to synchronize with the DC's and those DC's the PDC which normally hold this role synchronize with the internet. This is for normal domain hierarchy(Nt5DS).
Some commands to be run to get information:w32tm /query /source or w32tm /query /configuration from the cmd line
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263(v=ws.10).aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816042
Configuration of PDC:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc786897(v=ws.10).aspx
Domain members configuration:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc758905(v=ws.10).aspx
But all these configurations can be made from the group policy.
Hope it helps
Fred

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