Collecting IDOCs in BPM

Hello BPM experts,
I needed some help with one of the scenarios with BPM.
We are sending outbound IDOCs from ECC to PI (v7.0 SP14)
Step 1 - Process kicks off from ECC.
1.There are multiple partners in WE20(Configured in WE20) which sends out IDOCs through the single tRFC port(WE21).
Step 2- XI starts to collect the IDOCs from these different partners in ECC(Configured in WE20) using a wait step in ccBPM.
Step 3-By using correlation,the collected IDOCs recieved from different partners are translated and send to File adapter in seperate files.
Note:For example if there are 10 partners in WE20 which sends to 1000 IDOCs,these transactions grouped and translated into 10 files and finally transmitted to partner using file adapter.
We tested the scenarios and it is working fine,In production we faced an issue with BPM processing larger number of messages.SAP asked to apply note 1147377 to resolve this issue with bigger load.
My concern here is if the mapping for a particular partner fails,will this cause an issue to the rest of 9 partners ? Please give me your suggetions.

Hi,
It is wrong forum, please ask your questions to form : Process Integration (PI) & SOA Middleware
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-> you go with IDOC packaging concept. we have three approaches collecting idocs,
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http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/10b54994-f569-2a10-ad8f-cf5c68a9447c?quicklink=index&overridelayout=true
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Hi Rama Subbarao,
Error: Check with your loop condition and process steps.
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/people/pooja.pandey/blog/2005/07/27/idocs-multiple-types-collection-in-bpm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/76/5d373f5e550456e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
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/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
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/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change
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/people/pooja.pandey/blog/2005/07/27/idocs-multiple-types-collection-in-bpm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2009/05/21/xipi-collecting-idocs--possible-ways-with-pros-and-cons--5-ways
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/people/stefan.grube/blog/2006/09/18/collecting-idocs-without-using-bpm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2007/12/02/xipi-sender-idoc-adapter-packaging
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