Commit issued , but physical file date modified still

Hi,
i have update a record and commit
i am still see all the files in my db with the same modified date like before the update
if i shutdown the db , everything get updated
how is that , i ithink Redo logs should be written immediately after commit , otherwise an electricity outage will make this committed transaction lost
thanks

Hi Anand,
but when i commit ,
no file have been change , even the redo log date modified is still the same. so where oracle writes the data....
or it writes in redo log file and for some reason , redolog file date modified don't change??!!!!!

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     <pattern type="File">c:\MININT\* [*]</pattern>
     <pattern type="File">c:\SwSetup\* [*]</pattern>
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Finder window date added date modified show date time always

Is there a preference setting to have a finder window with Date Added and Date Modified columns enabled to always show the date and time? Currently, the column information is dynamic, like just providing a time where you infer Today, or one column does show the date and time but the other only shows the date, or it reads Today, 12:31pm.
I want every window when displaying Date Added or Date Modified columns to always, consistently show the date and time, e.g. 3/15/14, 7:31AM.
Aloha and Mahalo!

I found half of the answer: View:Show View Options - Deselect Use Relative Dates.
Now I just need a solution to always show the time and not only the date.
Curiously, when you initially enable a column in a Finder window, it shows both the date and time; however when you return to the window after closing it, you lose the time of day on Date Added, but not on Date Modified. -- Bug or Feature?

Date Modified Date/Time Issues on Files Exported to Excel

Hello -
I am using Crystal Reports XI, Release 2 and Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition for my ASP.NET application.
CrystalReports dll version : 11.5.3700.0
.NET Framework 2.0.50727
I use the CrystalDecisions.CrystalReports.Engine.ReportDocument to export a report to Excel (ExportFormatType.Excel).
When you view the exported file in Excel 2007 (just open and close it, making no changes), the Date Modified date of the file changes to whatever date/time the file was last viewed. I have also noticed this same behavior when exporting to Excel from Crystal, using a vendor desktop application that is written in C++ and uses Crystal XI.
Does anyone else experience this issue and have a resolution?
Edited by: Meg Thickman on Feb 3, 2009 8:59 AM

Hi Meg,
Just to clarify did you mean viewing the PDF?:
"Why would/should the file system date change merely by viewing the report?"
Our exported files are not linked to the master RPT file.
As I indicated the XLS file is likely in an older format and Excel is detecting and updating something which the file system then detects a change and updates the date stamp. Or excel is writing something back to the file. Did you notice if the file size changed or possibly the byte hash?
This is not something we are going to be able change. For compatability reasons we cannot stop Excel from updating the file.
As a work around add the Data Date field to your reports and your auditors can use that as the reference. It will reflect the actual date and time the report was run. Or use Excel API's to update the file format once the report has been exported in your code. You may also want to check with Microsoft to see if it's an option in Excel not to update the format or possibly a registry key to disable the option.
Thanks again
Don

Is there a way to change settings for "date modified" to reflect true file changes instead of changing upon viewing files? This is not just a Word issue.

My team and I open and view files all the time without editing them but the date modified changes anyway. This gets especially troublesome when we are working on files on each others desktops remotely. Is there any way to change these settings to reflect only changes instead of views, moves, and the like? I've read similar posts that have all reference Microsoft products but that is not the case. Our systems here operate in this way regardless of application/file type.

This discussion is going on in another thread where there has been more responses, one fix and a work-around noted. Please go here to read them: https://discussions.apple.com/message/18157324?ac_cid=142432#18157324

Possible fix for Word2004 "Date Modified" issue

I'm not sure if anyone else is still dealing with this problem - we discussed it a year ago here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7610823
But just in case there's someone else out there with the problem - I think I've found a fix (requiring OSX Server 10.5, tested on OSX Server 10.5.6)
The problem:
When you have a Word 2004 file (whatever.doc) stored on a server (10.4.0-10.5.6) then you have an annoying Date Modified issue. Whenever someone who is not the owner simply opens the file, the Date Modified date updates. When the owner of the file opens it, the date does not change. So by simply opening the document (and making no changes, and not re-saving it) you trigger an update of the Date Modified field.
More info can be found following the link above.
Well. I think I've found a work-around that's better then the current "Have everyone login as the same user" one.
In OSX Server, setup the permissions for the share with group as "read only" - so the POSIX permissions only give non-owners read-only access. (Everyone should also be RO or None)
Then you need to apply a Custom ACL. You want to give them Read & Write, but then edit the Write permissions to not allow Write Attributes and Write Extended Attributes.
So the ACL is:
[ ] Administration
[Y] Read
[-] Write
--[ ] Write Attributes
--[ ] Write Extended Attributes
--[Y] Create Files (Write Data)
--[Y] Create Folder (Append Data)
--[Y] Delete
--[Y] Delete Subfolders and Files
[Y] Inheritance
Obviously this means your users cannot write attributes - so for photos and other files where meta-data is critical, this is not a great idea. But for the vast majority of shares, this is fine - they can still "read and write" all the files and folders, but the Date Modified problem does not arise.
I'd be interested to see if this works for anyone else. Please let me know
Charles

Interesting and understood. I always tell people/clients that want to use dates either date created but definitely date modified to add that into the name of the file or call them revisions each time, ie:
lawsuitJamesrev2
or
lawsuitJames_5_1209
Reason being is depending on the backup system or worse yet disaster recovery you might not see or be able to see modified dates. IF the file is labeled as shown above it makes it easier. Again each person is different but from experience this works best as well as sorting. Also law firms I worked with have a number system since they needed to follow regulations on how to secure content. Again just ideas...hope you find an answer and pass it on

"Date Modified" for all files being changed if "Automatically write to XMP" is on

Recently upgraded from LR3 (v3.4.1) from LR2 on OSX 10.6.8 and have always had Catalog Settings > Automatically write changes into XMP turned on.
When browsing existing JPG files in my Library (no Develop changes, no keywording, no Presets, no Import), LR3 is writing to disk — i.e., when I look at files in Finder, almost every viewed file’s “Date Modified” is being set to today’s date and time. (It actually creates a .swp file, then changes it's name back to .jpg)
This is really bad, as it's making it impossible for me to use Finder to figure out when I last worked with a file, it is triggering needless Time Machine and Backblaze backups, and unnecessarily churning my disk.
If I turn off "Automatically write..." this behavior stops. Per David Marx at thelightroomlab.com, I tried turning off this preference, manually doing a "Save Metadata to File" for all files, letting that complete, then turning the preference back on. This does not solve the problem.
Per a suggestion at photoshop.com, I used ExifTool to see what changes LR was writing to a sample file; from the diff below, you can see that LR is adding a bunch of new fields as well as moving other fields around. But my point is that LR3 should never overwrite a file on disk if all I am doing is browsing thru them.
Is anyone else seeing this? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
-- David
diff Exif5609_original Exif5609_update
2c2
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5,6c5,6
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< FilePermissions: rwxr-xr-x
> FileModifyDate: 2011:08:07 22:06:47-07:00
> FilePermissions: rw-r--r--
27a28,29
> ShutterSpeedValue: 1/200
> ApertureValue: 7.1
55d56
< SerialNumber: 3209521
75d75
< Lens: 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6
185,188d184
< UserComment:
< SubSecTime: 00
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> XMPToolkit: Adobe XMP Core 5.2-c004 1.136881, 2010/06/10-18:11:35
> CreatorTool: Ver.1.00
> MetadataDate: 2011:08:07 22:06:47-07:00
> SerialNumber: 3209521
> LensInfo: 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6
> Lens: 18.0-200.0 mm f/3.5-5.6
> ImageNumber: 26634
> RawFileName: DSC_5609.JPG
> SavedSettingsName: Import
> SavedSettingsType: Snapshot
> SavedSettingsParametersVersion: 6.4.1
> SavedSettingsParametersProcessVersion: 5.0
> SavedSettingsParametersWhiteBalance: As Shot
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> SavedSettingsParametersGrainAmount: 0
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http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lr3_date_modified_for_all_files_bein g_updated_when_browsing_photos_if_catalog_settings_automatically_write_changes_into_xmp_is /replies/6313647

clvrmnky wrote:
davidpope007 wrote:
Then when LR3 loaded my old LR2 images into memory, it "dirtied" the in-memory copy of the file by adding in these new LR3 XMP fields. Then, because I had "Automatically write XMP" on, it said "I better write these changes to disk".
Yuck. As a former software engineer, this is very bad software engineering.
It should wait until the user dirties the file (via Develop, keywords, etc.) before presuming to add a bunch of metadata fields that are unique to the new version of LR3.
Well, I'm a current software developer, and this is, really, a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It is a reasonable trade-off for a convenient feature required by a small subset of users.
Yes, in most cases the in-memory copy should "never" be dirtied unless the user makes a gesture of some sort, but like I said earlier, this option (once set by the user) sets up the situation where this gesture becomes implicit. This is a clear trade-off for the sake of convenience. And if the XMP is out of date and needs to be updated en masse, so be it.
The fact is, there is no easy way around this. Do we save up /every/ dirty buffer somehow until you make a gesture that /might/ require the XMP to be up-to-date before acting on that gesture? Now we have to worry about unflushed buffers if something goes wrong and the app exits. Do we save the buffers to the DB? Now we have to block some calls to make another blocking call to flush some or all of those to DB, and then write some or all of it out to one or more files. In what order? What if there is a gesture to have X files with up-to-date XMP and some or all of those are in unflushed buffers, unflushed DB writes or we have to wait for the DB.
As you can see, this is a transactionality nightmare, and the easiest and safest thing to get what the user wants (i.e., up-to-date XMP for the purpose of talking to a third-party XMP aware app) is to simply update the sidecar or XMP block in an atomic manner using the correct file IO. The file will have to change at some point, so it may as well be now.
[Thanks to both of you for your detailed replies. I am aware of the need for tradeoffs so when you say the approach taken is quite reasonable, I do believe you. I also apologize in advance for the length of the following and am extremely aware of the time it must have taken you to compose the above replies, but I'm going to add a bit more, if only for my own piece of mind and in hopes of coming up with a solution for my workflow.]
From my naive point of view, I was expecting the answer to be simply "don't raise the XMPDirtyFlag upon reading in a file". Obviously if your architecture requires you to "upgrade to latest XMP format" upon read, and another part of the system auto-detects "out of date XMP", then it's going to write those changes to disk.
But it didn't need to be designed that way. LR obviously has mechanisms to know when a user has made a change to XMP so it is able to write XMP changes to disk only when necessary.
The promise (to me) of "Automatically Write XMP changes to disk" was to auto-save my changes, and not those made for any internal (i.e., XMP versioning related) changes.
Perhaps the premise is that it is LR3's job to update an individual file's XMP to the latest version so that other XMP-aware apps can make use of it? I would argue that those third-party XMP-aware apps already have to know how to deal with all prior versions of XMP, so LR3 should just leave well enough alone.
You asked if my problem with your approach was that it was "inelegant"; not at all, it is based on my own perception of what I need from my workflow, so let me describe that so maybe we can find a better way:
* Part of the appeal of LR to me is that it preserves my original file as it came off the memory card, allowing me to move to a different workflow/toolset in 2025 if I choose to do so
* However, with all of changes contained in a single database file, I'm concerned about rare (but possible) corruption, so to mitigate this risk, I let LR backup my database weekly and it's also backed up continuously in the cloud via Backblaze
* Even with backups of the database, there is still a chance that I could lose changes made to individual files (e.g., LR corrupts the DB and I have to go back to last week's DB)
* Thus the appeal of the "auto-write to XMP" flag -- that way critical changes (develop, crop, keywords) are saved on a per-file basis; I liked the "automatic" part of this (as opposed to a manual save) because then I don't have to teach others in my family how to manually save XMP changes
* A nice side-effect of this setting is now when I use Finder to find a file and double-click on it to edit it in Photoshop, all my develop changes are right there; (in other words, I like the flexibility of not having to fire up LR in order to just invoke PS from within it); also when I use Bridge I see all the keywords there
* So with LR2, I had gotten used to what I thought was the best of all worlds -- autosave of changes at the file level via XMP + raw negatives untouched (i.e., Date Modified == the date I took the picture); this allows me to use operating-system-level tools -- Finder -- to locate/search for files
* Now I upgrade to LR3 and I'm finally now understanding that a concept "XMP versioning" is going to result in changes to many, but not all my files. (That's something else that's annoying about this issue -- I open up the Grid and browse a folder of files, and only seemingly random ones I've cursored over seem to get written to disk -- if it's so urgent that LR3 update the XMP, then it should do it for all the files in the catalog or at least in that directory)
Here's a screenshot from Finder of what I see everytime I look at this folder:
* So now I have to assume that each new version of XMP and/or LR is going to touch my files on disk. Sigh.
* What I don't like about this is that it is ruining the promise of "untouched raw negative". Yes, the image data is untouched -- which I agree is most of the benefit; but the file has been touched.
* Perhaps you might empathize a bit more if you imagined that someone went thru all your source code or Word files and randomly changed the date to "today" because you upgraded compilers or moved to Word 2011.
I agree all of this would be solved by having an XMP sidecar file for JPGs, but you indicate that's not going to happen.
You've also alluded to the solution of "resetting the Date Modifed" to it's original value -- which I believe is what Finder does when you move or copy a file -- but that that is fraught with issues as well. I believe you when you say there are issues, but again the naive part of me wonders why that soultion would be so bad...
I just thought of another potential solution -- turning on Date Created in Finder -- but it turns out that's changed, too.
I am really at a loss as to what to do and would welcome your suggestions.
Thanks again and kind regards,
-- David

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