Confused about logical table source

Hi,
I'm confused about logical table source(LTS), there are 'General', 'Column Mapping', 'Content' tabs in
LTS, in General tab ,there are some information,like 'Map to there tables' and 'joins',
just here, we have created relationships in physical layer and BMM layer, so I would like to ask what's the use of the 'joins' here?

Hi Alpha,
Valid query, when you establish a complex join it is always between a logical fact and dimension table.Consider a scenario,
Example:w_person_dx is an extension table not directly joined to a fact but joins to a dimension w_person_d.
When you model the person_d tables in BMM, you ll have a single logical table with w_person_d as source.If you have to pull columns from both w_person_d and w_person_dx tables in a report, you add dx table as inner join to persond table in the general tab.Now when you check your physical query, you can see the inner join fired between the two dimensions.
Rgds,
Dpka

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Question related to Logical table source

Hi All,
I have very basic questions -
(1) When do we create multiple logical table sources within a dimension?
(2) If a dimension has more than one logical table sources , when do we need to map the underlying table to other underlying table of logical table sources.
For exp consider these tables XLE_Entity_Profile, XLE_REgistration , AP_Invoice_ALL
AP_Invoice_All is a fact table. relationship between XLE_Entity_Profile & XLE_REgistration is (1:M).
Join info is as below -
(a) XLE_Entity_Profile.Legal_entity_id = AP_Invoice_ALL.Legal_entity_id
to get the registration of LE the where clause is as below-
(b) XLE_Entity_Profile..Legal_entity_id = XLE_REgistration.Source_id and XLE_REgistration.Source_table = 'XLE_Entity_Profile'
I have created the alias of XLE_REgistration as XLE_REgistration_LE.
With in a dimension , i have 2 logical table source - XLE_Entity_Profile & XLE_REgistration_LE.
logical table source 'XLE_REgistration_LE' has where clause 'XLE_REgistration.Source_table = 'XLE_Entity_Profile'
When i query , LE name , LE Registration Name, i get error like -
State: HY000. Code: 10058. [NQODBC] [SQL_STATE: HY000] [nQSError: 10058] A general error has occurred. [nQSError: 14070] Cannot find logical table source coverage for logical columns: [LE_NAME]. Please check more detailed level keys are mapped correctly. (HY000)
Le Name is from XLE_Entity_Profile and LE Registration Name is from XLE_REgistration_LE.
But when using the properties of logical table source ' XLE_REgistration_LE' , i map it to 'XLE_Entity_Profile' ,i get the correct result.
I am not able to understand why am i getting error in first way of modeling.
Thanks , Ashish

Hi Ashish,
first about logical table sources (lts): you can create different lts for aggregation and/or fragmentation. Aggregation means that data is aggregated on another level among different physical tables. Fragmentation means that the content is different over different tables (other rows).
In your case, I think the problem is that your dimension is not denormalized, which results in a snowflake.
What I understand is that you have the following (physical diagram):
Invoice (fact table) >----- Entity (Dim) >----- Registration (Dim)
You have the following joins:
invoice.entity_id = entity.entity_id
and entity.entity_id = registration.source_id and registration.source = 'something'
First idea:
I would create the following join (in physical diagram):
Invoice (fact table) >---- Registration (Dim)
Where:
invoice.entity_id = registration.source_id and registration.source = 'something'.
Then in your Entity dimension you should create a hierarchy:
Grand Total Level
Entity
Registration.
In your dimension you should create the first lts: Entity
Set the aggregation content of this lts to Entity.
This lts contains only one physical table.
Map only the entity columns to the Entity physical table.
Then create the second lts:
Entity and Registration.
Set the aggregation content of this lts to Registration.
This lts must contain two physical tables, Entity and Registration.
Map the entity columns to the Entity physical table and the registration columns to the registration physical table.
Let me know if it works or not.
Regards,
Stijn

Logical Table source source query

In OBIEE 10g we can have multiple logical table sources and we can also add multiple tables into a single logical table source(logical table source source). I wanted to know the difference between doing so and having multiple logical table sources for each logical source.
Hope I made myself clear.
Cheers
Rem

Hi Rem,
When data is duplicated across different physical tables add them as separate LTS with column mapping pointing to most economical sources. Specifying the most economical source is about the idea that a single column exists in more than one table, based on the column mappings BI server picks up those LTS's which could satisfy the request with minimal joins.
When the data is not duplicated add them in a single LTS source. When the physical sources are added in a single LTS, you have the flexibility of using outer joins. But specifying a join as outer join makes BI Server to include this source even if its not required otherwise when the join is inner, the sources will not be included if not required to satisfy the query.
Hope this helps.
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Multiple Logical Table Sources vs Single Logical Table Source

OBIEE 11g. I am totally confused. Can someone help me with the following for me.
I have seen logical table sources being used in 2 ways. I have a 2 sources tables: CUSTOMER & ADDRESS. In physical layer these 2 tables are linked by CUSTOMER _ID in a 1:M relationship. i.e. A customer can have many addresses.
Scenario # 1: In BMM the two tables form a logical table called CUSTOMER with 2 different logical table sources which are CUSTOMER & ADDRESS.
Scenario # 2: In BMM the two tables form a logical table called CUSTOMER with 1 logical table source called CUSTOMER only.
What is the difference between the above 2 scenarios and which one is better to use when creating the logical table source.
Regards.

Scenario # 1: In BMM the two tables form a logical table called CUSTOMER with 2 different logical table sources which are CUSTOMER & ADDRESS.
-->In this case; based on the columns select source is defined in the physical query
possible case would be CUSTOMER , ADDRESS, and CUSTOMER & ADDRESS
-->Used in DE-normalized scenarios
--> BI uses intelligence based on content tab settings
Scenario # 2: In BMM the two tables form a logical table called CUSTOMER with 1 logical table source called CUSTOMER only.
-->In this case; CUSTOMER properties->General tab used both CUSTOMER & ADDRESS, in your physical query both tables present irrespective of column selection
-->Used in normalized scenarios
-->Forcing BI to follow our way, since we wont set content tab settings
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Time series functions are not working for fragmented logical table sources?

If i remove that fragmented logical table sources, then its working fine.
if any body know the reason, please let me know.
thanks and regards,
krishna

Hi,
is because the time series function are not supported for the framentation content, see the content of the oracle support:
The error occurs due to the fact the fragmented data sources are used on some Time series measures. Time series measures (i.e. AGO) are not supported on fragmented data sources.
Confirmation is documented in the following guide - Creating and Administering the Business Model and Mapping Layer in an Oracle BI Repository > Process of Creating and Administering Dimensions
Ago or ToDate functionality is not supported on fragmented logical table sources. For more information, refer to “About Time Series Conversion Functions” on page 197.
Regards,
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My problem begins when thinking how to actually do that. Here is my question:
- Should I add the relational source in the data mart logical table source folders, mapping the same information with joins? If so, how does dimensions work from that point? (drill down)
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I'm very new to rpd building and started with the below model
F1 >----D1------<F2
Fact 1 is joined to Dim 1 and the same Dim 1 is joined to Fact 2. With this model in physical & BMM Layer I built rpd and deployed.
In answers I picked 1 column from each of these three tables and getting the below error.
State: HY000. Code: 10058. [NQODBC] [SQL_STATE: HY000] [nQSError: 10058] A general error has occurred. [nQSError: 15018] Incorrectly defined logical table source (for fact table FACT_SALES) does not contain mapping for [DIM_LOCATION.LOC_NAME]. (HY000)
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the error explaining about the mapping error only.
Just check the datatype compability too.
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Logical table source in BMM

Hello,
I am using obiee 11g.
I have few doubts In RPD with respect to logical table Source.
Consider i have tableA,tableB,tableC in PL.
Now in my BMM i dragged tableA now i want one column from the tableB.
So which method is correct?
1>
Go to the logical table source properties of tableA->then there + sign click and then add tableB left outer join with tableA.
Here in the logical table source we see only one table tableA.
2> Drag the tableB column so that we have 2 logical table source.
Now what i am more interested is which method is selected on what basis?
Any help?
Thanks

Thanks a lot for the reply
Second case can u just elaborate more.
First case i think i understood.
My main confusion is ok ill explain my situation.
I have tableA,TableB,TableC all are connected.
Now i have one fact table.In that fact table i would like to create 10 measures.5 From tableA,3 from tableB and 2 from tableC.
So
First i created 5 measures from tableA.
Second i created 3 measures from tableB.
Third i created 2 measures from tableC.
Till now i have 3 logical table source sources in one LTS.
Now in my report when i combine columns from tableA and tableB , tableB column shows no data.
When i see in the sql i see tableB col is not taken itself.
Then i need to go to tableB,then go to General tab and then click + sign add tableA and then go to column mapping and map atleast one col of tableA here.
So on what basis here i should do mapping.
Since i have 3 logical table source sources in one LTS.Each time i click on sources->tableB->i could see even the
tableA columns but not mapped?
Is that every column from tableA should be mapped to tableB and tableB to tableC and tableC to tableA?I mean in the column mapping
This is something which i am feeling very difficult to understand?
Pls help me out?
Thanks

How would multi Logical Table Source work?

Hi All,
I am facing a problem about multi Logical Table Source. Can I build a Business Model with a Logical Fact Table that have two Sources? Taking the below description as an example:
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Columns
Description
Fact
TIMECD(2013Q101, which join to Time.TIMECE), DATA
Fact_Aggr
TIMECD(2013Q1, which join to Time.PERQUARTER), DATA
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Time
TIMECD, YEAR, PERYEAR, QUARTER, PERQUARTER, MONTH, PERMONTH
I tried to create a BMM that contains two Fact Table in the same Logical Fact Table. But BIEE shows the DATA from Fact even if I drag PERQUARTER into the report.
The following is my question:
1. Can I have a Logical Fact Table that contains Fact and Fact_Aggr?
2. How will BIEE determine which DATA should be used?
Best Regards,
Martin

The basic rule for one LTS vs two is: If you use table A AND Table B together, then one LTS. If you use table A OR Table B, then 2 LTSs.
So when you have an aggregate fact table, you use either the Agg or the base fact, meaning you should have 2 LTSs. OBI understands how to use one or the other through a variety of rules, but the main piece of config you need to have is proper levels defined on each and every LTS's Content tab. In your example, you will need to make sure the grains of your aggregate and base fact table match the time dimension properly; thus normally you have a day table and a month table in the time dimension, each joining to the appropriate Fact LTS. If you join a month level aggregate to a day time table your results will be incorrect. OBI knows that month is higher in the hierarchy than day, so it will prefer to use the set of Month LTSs when it can.
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Filter on the same logical table source on two logical tables is not working properly

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In the RPD, assume that I have a physical table named Employee_fact, created an Alias called D0 Employee Fact
In the BMM I've two logical tables called Employee_fact_Type1 and Employee_fact_Type2
Each of these logical tables has the same Logical table source - D0 Employee
But in each logical table source, I've a filter in where clause
such as, for Employee_fact_Type1 employee_type = 'XXX'
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Dynamically change the Priority Group of Logical Table Sources in OBIEE 11g

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Problem: 1 physical table -- multiple logical table sources

Hi,
I'm quite new to BIEE and setting up my repository.
So I have a question, if the following scenario is possible:
Physical Layer: TABLE_A: COL_A, COL_B, COL_C
TABLE_B: COL_D, COL_E, COL_F
Join TABLE_A.COL_A = TABLE_B.COL_D
In Business Model I have a Dimension Table with TABLE_A as datasource with fields DIM1 (COL_B).
The Fact Table (MEASURE) would have twice TABLE_B as data source with different where-clauses on COL_F and logical table columns (ATT1 and ATT2) of value COL_E.
So far I have created everything and the consistency check shows no errors or warnings, but I get an error in Answer: Incorrectly defined logical table source (for fact table MEASURE) does not contain mapping for [MEASURE.ATT1, MEASURE.ATT2], when I creating an report showing DIM1, ATT1, ATT2.
Isn't it possible to have one physical column used as multiple data source?
I know it 's working, when I create the physical table twice ... but maybe there's a solution for business model.
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Hi mengesh,
that's what I also tried, but it's always returning me the same error.
I know it would work, when I import the physical table twice or more, but that's not what I want to do, because at the end I have 10 or more fields based on this one physical table. There's one field indicating what value is contained in the record, this means:
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1 | customer name
2 | customer number
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5 | date
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Max number of logical table sources

Hi,
I have one logical table based (a fact table) on 8 logical table sources. This is done to simulate some partitioning as my customer does not have an partition set up on data base level.
Anyway my challenge is that a request fired in answers does not seem to take all logical table sources into account when building the physical SQL.
The missing logical table source (the one not being part of the physical SQL) does not differ from the other logical table sources.
Is there a limit of how many logical table sources BIEE can handle under one logical table?
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Alastair,
thanks for replying.
The logical tables sources partition the data by year. The aggregation level is the same for all LTS, the check for using this with other sources at this level is set and I've tried to force a result from every LTS (not combined but each LTS for itself). Forcing the results is done by using a dashboard prompt in answers filtering on year.
The whole 'LTS-setup' works in combination with Oracle Warehouse Builder. What I mean by this is the following: In OWB I split the data from one table into 8 different tables, each containing 3 years of data (except for the oldest data where the number of years and amount of data will grow over time).
This is done by comparing values of a year column with the actual year. E.g. the most actual table would contain data for the years 2010 - 2008, the next would contain data for 2007 - 2005, and so on.
Now as the years in the different tables will change, I decided to establish an equaly changing counterpart in BIEE. Basically I defined some repository variables: actaul_year, three_years_ago, six_years_ago, 9_years_ago, etc.
The fragmentation content of the different LTS is defined like this:
most actual data: MyModel.Year.Year >= VALUEOF("3_years_ago")d
next table: VALUEOF("3_years_ago") > MyModel.Year.Year AND MyModel.Year.Year >= VALUEOF("6_years_ago")
next table: VALUEOF("6_years_ago") > MyModel.Year.Year AND MyModel.Year.Year >= VALUEOF("9_years_ago")
etc.
The funny thing is that the missing table is the one containing years 13 - 15. All the other tables (e.g. 16 - 18 years and 19 - 21 years) are represented in the physical SQL. This particular table is not even represented in the physical SQL.
I haven't yet tried to take one of the 'working' tables out to see if this helps (getting an idea if there is a limit on number of LTS per logical table).
Any idea?
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regards
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Question on Logical table Sources

Good day!
I would like to ask for your advice on an bottleneck I am experiencing in a repository implementation in Siebel/OBIEE.
I am to create a logical table which sources comes from two different tables(Physical table A and Physical table B).
I am trying to union the contents from table A and table B so I planned to use fragmentation content.
My problem is that there is no way to distinguish the difference between the records coming from physical table A and table B.
I created two logical tables sources and specified the same condition for both but the server would automatically choose the first one and would not include the records from the second logical table source.
Is there any other way I could combine the records from table A and table B in Business Model and Mapping layer?
Please, I would like to know your thoughts.
Thanks,
Ivan

Hi Ivan,
I dont think there is other way which is equable to fragmentation content functionality.
I would suggest to try with any column is not null or most satisfied condition so that both contents present in the query.
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