Deciding on a Mac Pro

I am curious to know how anyone out there goes about making a final decision on a Mac Pro (or MacBook Pro) purchase. Not so much the ''want vs. need'' debate, because we all grapple with that. But directly dealing with the fact of buying a computer and then a few months or many months later, something new comes out and they add something better to the system you have.
I know if you think too much along those lines, you should never buy a computer because there will always be product refreshes and updates. And unless you buy a new computer every 6 months, you`ll never have the best, greatest thing.
I had a 2009 MacBook Pro and I had nothing but problems with it. Apple replaced the hdd many times over and 2x I sent it back for repairs. They ended up sending me a replacement, which I sold right away and waited a little bit until the 2010 Mac Pros came out. I bought a 6 Core, 3.33Mhz system, and once again have been having problems with it - slowness, sluggishness, etc. HDD replacements. Sent it in once 10 days ago for repairs and they removed one memory stick. Same problems still, so it went back to repairs today. Apple said they are going to replace the logic board and test more. But they also said if this system still acts the same, they will replace it.
So case in point, in thinking about this possible (or probable) replacement - should I hang in there with this same Mac Pro or should I go to the 2011 MacBook Pro? I am not a power user by any stretch of the imagination. I could just as easily get by with a bare bones MacBook or iMac. I wanted a computer that would be overkill for my needs. But I do often wonder/worry about my system each time there is a product refresh or change in features.
Just curious what other 2010 Mac Pro owners feel about this.

Hatter, obviously if you want to buy a complete PC, $2k will not fit. But a simple google search will reveal many "budget" gaming PC parts lists for you to assemble yourself for a far better value.
And my budget is $1200, not 2400.
$1200 Mac Pro
$800 CPU upgrade
$375 GPU upgrade
= $2375 (2400)
Here is one under $1200 that will beat your Mac Pro: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overclock-benchmark,3276.html
Here is a $2000 build that will blow your Mac Pro out of the water: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-building-overclocking-buyers-guide,3277.h tml
And another, this one with a GTX 680: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_it_how_build_kick-***_ivy_bridge _gaming_pc_step_step
I appreciate your input, but I do NOT want another gaming pc.
Why is that? The Mac Pro is a professional/server computer, NOT a game computer. You're paying for  3 year old hardware, two of the most expensive bits (CPU and GPU) of it you will be throwing away!
Gaming PCs do not need server grade parts, so you're basically paying a huge premium for the case and you're still stuck with 3 year old technology.
So the 2009 single processor quad core with 8 threads will outperform the dual quad core/8 threads 2008 model?
Not even close. The 2009 model has 8 theoretical threads while the 2008 model has 8 physical threads. At best, you'll see 75% the performance of the 8 core.
The single CPU 2009 is a very poor value since you're stuck with one CPU. You're better off finding a low-spec dual CPU if you plan to chuck the old cpus.
What bugs and limitations? To what?
To a 3 year old computer running an unsupported GPU, which means you will never be able to run OSX unless you reinstall the old 5770 GPU  before you boot into the Mac side.
If you plan on never booting into OSX, you're throwing away half the computer's value. Which is why I suggested you build a PC.

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    Here is a $2000 build that will blow your Mac Pro out of the water: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pc-building-overclocking-buyers-guide,3277.h tml
    And another, this one with a GTX 680: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_it_how_build_kick-***_ivy_bridge _gaming_pc_step_step
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    Updates installed by Software Update are "delta" updates - they go from 10.x.y to 10.x.y+1, and are customized for a particular Mac model. It appears that in this case they also patch some files instead of replacing them fully. The "combo" update will update 10.x.anything to the latest 10.x.y, it'll update any Mac model, and in this case it appears they contain full files instead of patches. The delta updater for 10.5.1 is about 39 MB; the combo updater is about 110 MB. You can download the combo updater from the Support site. Sites such as www.macfixit.com often recommend installing the combo updater instead of, or after, the delta updater, as it often solves mysterious problems. One specific example is the numerous "SUID" messages when doing a "repair permissions" - the combo update gets rid of all but one, and that one is specifically stated by Apple to be okay. Of course, no guarantees, but the combo updater is a reasonable thing to try.
    Doug

  • Mac Pro's (early 2008) Back up plan towards a possible OS upgrade to Yosemite

    Hello All. Here’re some of the details/background info…hopefully all this won’t be so annoying. Your feedback is highly appreciated. Thanks a bunch!
    I have 2 Mac Pro’s (Early 2008) 3,1 both running SL (10.6.8). One I have been using non-stop throughout these years, I’d call it MP 2008 (A). The other one once belong to a friend who actually bought it around the same time I purchased mine, only that he didn’t use it much and just recently decided to sell it to me. I’d call it MP 2008 (B). Both MP’s are very light on data on the main, boot HD, just applications,… as everything I work on is kept in external hard drives and backups. I do not usually download any third party stuff (only when strictly necessary for my work) and essentially it’s all about the software and applications (Adobe CS3 and LR 0.2) I need to do my pretty basic work.
    All pretty old stuff by now, I know.
    Following a couple of mishaps and lots of good advice in these forums, (thanks to the hatter, etc.) I went ahead and bought 16GB of RAM for both, and an NVidia Graphics Card (all from Amazon.com) for my MP 2008 (A) to replace it after it went bad, and everything has been working just fine. As you can tell, I have not tried to upgrade much, but rather keep everything stock and running as smoothly as possible.
    I am afraid the next big, important thing I MUST do is back up my almost 6 years-old HD (I know, it should’ve been done long ago). Frankly, I have never done it before because I didn’t even know that could be possible…I learned about it right here, in this forum. In this sense, much I have also read (here) about the SSD option, and about how great of an upgrade that could be too, but I have decided to stick to the regular 3.5” for now. (I just recently found out those SSD even existed!). Hopefully, once I gain a bit of confidence on how this works I’ll jump into the SSD option, cards, etc. So, I purchased 2X 3.5” SATA III HD’s to try cloning my MP 2008 (A) boot, main HD and get this process over with.
    QUESTIONS
    QUESTION #1: After installing the internal hard drives in bays 2 and 3: Do I have to specifically format them in order to turn them into bootable copies? If so, how do I do that? I have read about using ‘Disk Utility’ to format external hard drives for this purpose but I don’t know if that would apply for internal hard drives as well.
    QUESTION #2: What are the settings/features you all recommend I should select/or deselect on CCC so I can have exact, bootable copies of my original HD? No fancy stuff, advanced options, etc…just what I need to have good enough copies that just work.
    QUESTION #3: How do I test them?
    I noticed that under “System Preferences/System/Startup Disk” I can select the drive/system I want to use to start up my computer from. My question is:
    QUESTION #4: Can I permanently choose any of the Mac Pro four (4) bays/bootable hard drives as the main drive/system for startup? I always thought I could only be done from the original, ‘main’ bootable drive in bay 1.
    QUESTION #5: What if the copy fails? How do I go back to the HD that works or to the next copy, for that matter?
    About my MP 2008 (B): In an effort to sell me his MP, my friend (as knowledgeable as I am) messed up something that delays the start up a lot. I noticed that in the finder, the applications appear double, etc., so I am not so happy with it. Even though the little house icon has his name in the finder, he was able to make me the Administrator for the machine (I don’t know how). But again, it starts up to the typical chime, then a gray screen for quite a loooong while, then the apple logo, then the loading animation…and theeennnn it starts…and no known issues from there. In other words, I am sure he messed something up there while transferring this machine to me and now its startup is so delayed.
    QUESTION #6: Let’s say that both the bootable HD copies I created on my MP 2008 (A) work fine: Can I take one out and install it in my MP 2008 (B) and eventually turn it into my startup drive and work from there too? Will this eventually lead to conflicting stuff? (Two machines, same identical cloned start up drive??).
    Eventually, the plan is that I learn how to do all this so I can move on and upgrade with a clean install of Yosemite pretty soon.
    Hopefully, both my Mac Pro’s 2008 A and B will last me a bit more and I can get to squeeze a few more seasons from them. They are awesome machines!
    As you can tell, in theory I might have a little bit of a clue, but all is in the details. If you don’t mind, please shed some light on this process I am about to begin…thanks a bunch!

    Thank you!
    Kappy     Nov 24, 2014 3:01 PM 
      Re: Mac Pro's (early 2008) Back up plan towards a possible OS upgrade to Yosemite  in response to Juan Huerta      
    All new drives need to be partitioned GUID and formatted Mac OS Extended, Journaled before they can be used.
    OK, is that an option I'll be prompted to by the OS or do I have to "tell" that to...Disk Utilities (?)
    If cloning is your purpose then use Disk Utility's Restore option. It will clone the drives and their Recovery HD partitions automatically.
    I didn't know that Disk Utility had an option for cloning a bootable drive...is it better than CCC? (I have used neither one) I really would like to save $40 and avoid downloading additional software/applications...please if you don't mind...what option would that be once I click on "Disk Utility"? If you know of a good link or reliable article on the topic that will work for me too.
    Test a clone be trying to boot the computer from it.
    Any bootable drive in any bay can be used to boot the computer. Use Startup Drive preferences to set the desired boot volume.
    Erase the target and try again.
    But if the computer fails to start because I didn't create a good copy, how do I go back? Keyboard shortcuts? I keep reading that a wired keyboard must be used...and that's scary. If that's true, could I hook up any of my Windows based keyboards via USB?
    Erase the drive and install OS X. You cannot use any software installed by the prior owner that was purchased via the App Store including OS X. You must start from scratch. (this actually is 5B rather than item 6.)
    Well, he created an Admin account for me and I have been handling updates and everything with the new password he created for me. I wonder if I could access the Apple Store with my ID though...it's all under my name in that computer though, so I figure that at the Apple Store I'd just enter my ID...I guess, I have not tried that yet
    Yes.

  • Never owned a Mac, thinking of buying a Mac Pro, could use some advice...

    Hey guys,
    I know this was a lot to read, but I sincerely hope someone will take the time to answer my questions:
    As the title of my post implies I've never owned a Mac in my life. I've always built my own desktops and usually gone to HP or Dell for my laptops. I'm approaching that time again where my custom-built desktop is looking outdated and I'm getting the upgrade itch. I'm looking at all the parts I need to order to build a computer and I can't help but think I'm older now with a full-time job and a one year old daughter in the house. Do I really want to go through the hassle of building a desktop from scratch again? Not really. So I started evaluating things a bit. As I get older I’m really just getting sick and tired of Microsoft’s antics (Vista was a huge disappointment for me) so I decided this could be the year for me to take the Mac plunge.
    Now I’m an IT guy, so I have a pretty atypical setup at home. I’m currently running both Windows and Linux on all my computers. Rather than dual boot or use virtualization software I have a pretty intricate system in which I use a product called Acronis Trueimage to experiment with operating systems. What I do is perform a a clean install on an operating system, tweak it as needed for security and to use resources on my LAN than back up the customized OS install to a server a an image file. I have pre-built images for XP, Vista, Ubuntu and OpenSuSE that I can roll out to one of my machines in an average of 15 minutes whenever I get the urge to switch operating systems. I also serve all my data off a NAS box, so since data and OS are kept separate on the network I don’t have to worry about erasing something when I swap between Linux and Windows (as loading an image literally destroys the previous OS install).
    So you can see I’m pretty highly specialized. I even have things down to the point to where I have custom images for specific purposes. For instance I have one XP image customized for development, one XP image customized for gaming, etc. Naturally if I got the Mac Pro I’d like to have the freedom to create a similar set of custom OS deployment images (Windows, Linux and OSX) for it as well. In researching the Mac Pro I have some concerns my current system might not work if I go that route. Am I correct in assuming that in order to run an alternative operating system on a Mac I’ll have to run boot camp or something like it? Or upon unboxing my Mac and tweaking Leopard will I be able to use disk imaging software to make a backup image of my preinstalled Leopard hard drive and then do a clean install of Windows XP or Ubuntu and set it up to function like a PC? I guess I’m asking if it’s possible (now that Macs are Intel-based) to run Windows or Linux exclusively on the Mac hardware?
    Also I have some concerns about the proprietary nature of the Mac platform. From what I can gather in my research it seems the hardware is pretty locked in. One area that has me really concerned is gaming. I pretty much use Ubuntu exclusively at home for productivity and web surfing. However I still like to load that XP image every now and then to play some games on the LAN with my buddies. I’m not a fan of virtualizing for gaming because of the obvious performance hit you take, so I’d have to be able to run Windows XP free and clear. Also I checked Nvidia’s site and I see no OSX drivers listed there for their cards. Under the Windows platform they are always releasing driver updates to squeeze more game performance out of your card. What if I want to upgrade my video card? How do drivers work on OSX? Does Apple just integrate drivers for just a few specific video cards into the OS? Will I be stuck only able to pick from a handful of video cards approved by Apple?
    Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer advice!
    Message was edited by: ZeusABJ

    Hi Zeus
    I may be able to answer some of your questions. And sorry in advance if this sounds like yet another of those "religious conversion" stories
    I'm a software developer/architect, mostly doing Microsoft .NET/C#/Web Services coding. I'd been a loyal Microsoft guy since I started on the original IBM PC back in the 80's. Like a lot of people (or so it seems) I just got fed up with Microsoft's high-handed and self-important ways. More importantly, the company always seemed to be lagging behind technically. Looking at beta versions of Vista did not bode well for the future - it just seemed awful. When Vista came out it it was the last straw - I just could not get enthusiastic about this bloated, slow, mess of an operating system. I really hated it. Still do. Even with a top-spec machine, Vista didn't run in the snappy, responsive way it I thought it should. Nothing seemed well thought out.. yuck!
    Then, by chance, I was staying for a few days with somebody who had a Mac. Now, for years and years I not even considered Macs as remotely serious machines. My only experience of them was in the late 80's when somebody at work had one. He took delight in pushing a floppy disc into the machine so that it would respond "Ah, it's so big!". Great, just a toy. Not for serious programming work. So, encountering Mac OS X Tiger on my friend's iMac was something of a shock. It was so responsive, clean and elegant. When you turned it on it only took about 30 seconds or so for the thing to be ready for use, etc, etc.
    Long story short, I bought an iMac, then a newer, bigger, faster iMac, then a MacBook Pro and now I have a Mac Pro. I still have to work with Windows to do my .NET-related day job. But 95% of the time I work on the Mac using various VMWare virtual machines. I can switch between Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP in a few seconds and still be working in a Mac environment. And the performance of running Windows inside VMWare is even better than on my dedicated top-spec Windows laptop! I have a selection of virtual machines to choose from and, because these virtual machines are just files, I can back them up, revert to saved copies, etc. I've tried Bootcamp but it's much less convenient and performance inside the virtual machines is never an issue (although I don't do any gaming). So, you could keep virtual machines on your NAS box or local Mac hard drive.
    With regard to graphics drives, etc. I've never had any problems whatever in this respect. For example, when I installed Windows XP on VMWare it automatically recognised all my hardware (including some obscure audio interfaces, USB-based MIDI interfaces, etc.) and made it available. I must admit that when I was new to the Mac I expected to have driver issues, but never have had... So, my guess is that you'll be able to run all your Windows and Linux distros on the Mac without too many problems.
    You mention Apple's hardware as being "locked-in". I don't think that's the case. Certainly the consumer Mac models like the iMac can't be upgraded (by you or me) internally, expect for memory. The Mac Pro though is very easy to upgrade - though there may be some limitations with regard graphics cards.
    Re your questions about graphics card drivers. Yes, these come with OS X in just the same as as with Windows. Because I've also used the card that comes "with the box" this has not been an issue for me. However, unless you get a Mac Pro you can't swap-in your existing graphics card. And even then I think you may find restrictions. However, other, more knowledgeable Mac users on this forum may have other thoughts.
    Overall though, the experience of using the Mac in terms of software is very much the reverse of Windows - the OS is very open and well documented. It really is an IT person's dream machine - so much to fiddle around with (particularly if you know anything about Unix!). Unlike Microsoft who charge a FORTUNE for their development tools, Apple give them to you for free. And very good they are too!
    Finally, one bit of advice. If you are considering buying a new Mac, join the Apple Developer Connection scheme as a Select member. It'll cost you around $400 to join but they give you a hardware discount for Apple-store purchased items that will save you a ton of $$$'s - absolutely definitely worth doing.
    Hope this helps (and good luck)!
    Russ

  • Booting from firewire target mode on a mac pro with  kernel panic?

    hello
    i am wondering if it is possible to use firewire target mode to boot a mac pro that has never got past a multi language kernel panic on boot?
    basically i have tried all the other options and cant get it to open the superdrive to insert my installation disk, as to repair the drivers with my snow leopard disk.
    i've tried holding my mouse key down, the paperclip option on the drive itself and the firmware keycombo, so my idea is that the only way to fix it is with target mode. can this be done - and if so - could someone direct me towards a tutorial that will help me do this.
    please advise if this is possible or if there is another method i should use? apart from taking it to the applestore (extreme last ditch option) i am quite low on ideas here.
    many thanks!
    p.s heres the message i wrote for the original problem which caused all the kernel panics;
    "i recently bought a mac pro and upon starting it for the first time opted to transfer the all the data i could over via firewire from my macbook pro.
    i used the standard 't' command with the firewire symbol.
    Somewhere towards the end of the transfer (I am not sure at what pont - I wasnt there for all of it) - , the monitor went blank and the whole thing was unresponsive. my macbook's firewire sign continued to move around the screen.
    after leaving it for some time i decided to turn off the macbook and then the mac pro.
    i restarted the macbook and got some pretty crazy stuff happening to my calender - but so far everything seems to be fine.
    i am more concerned about the "you need to restart your computer" message; this is the dreaded 'kernel panic' right?. i have never actually done anything with this computer yet, and it was purchased new."

    "i recently bought a mac pro and upon starting it for the first time opted to transfer the all the data i could over via firewire from my macbook pro.
    Never opt to transfer until you have insured it works fine for a couple days, I would never use Setup or Migration Assistant until such time, and I would have a bootable backup clone.
    Try pulling all the hard drives from inside your Mac Pro and boot from OS X DVD - latest OS build.

  • Changing from G5 to new Mac Pro system

    Hello Mac users,
    I did search the forum for answers to my question, did not find any right away.
    I have been using a Mac PPC G5 since 2004 or so. I am running Leopard 10.xx on this PPC. Due to requirements in software (seems more new software is for Intel version only) I have decided to break down and get a new Intel Mac Pro (dual 2.8, etc).
    I have 2 G-Tech external firewire drives, and 1 internal SATA, and 1 external SATA to Firewire drive. All these drives are formatted as Extended, non-journaling (only 1 partition on each). Will the new mac read these drives without issue? I plan to place the external SATA/Firewire (It is in an ICY Dock) in to one of the spare bays in the new system. This drives carry the bulk of my data.
    I have many applications, iPhoto 6, iMovie 6, Aperture, Final Cut Studio, and a few others. I plan to re-install all these apps on the new machine. I might try to copy my pref files for final cut and soundtrack to the new system.
    I would also like to copy all the data under my user name on the "Macintosh HD" to the same username on the new mac. I plan to have the same user names on the new system.
    I am trying to cover all the pitfalls in moving from my old system to the new one. I have seen postings recommending not using the setup assistant or the migration assistant to accomplish these tasks, and I do not mind reloading the apps, too much, particularly if it is safer!
    any tips or advice on the process will be appreciated.
    eholz1

    Will the new mac read these drives without issue?
    Yes.
    I have many applications, iPhoto 6, iMovie 6, Aperture, Final Cut Studio, and a few others. I plan to re-install all these apps on the new machine. I might try to copy my pref files for final cut and soundtrack to the new system.
    Check your applications for compatibility; unless you need to use the older iLife applications, don't install them. If you need to use the older iMovie only, use this download instead of the version on the PowerMac. Preference files don't need to be checked.
    I would also like to copy all the data under my user name on the "Macintosh HD" to the same username on the new mac. I plan to have the same user names on the new system.
    Create the accounts in the same order they were initially created.
    (34702)

  • RAM Memory question for Mac Pro 2.66 Ghz

    Hi all. I've got a MacPro 2.66 Ghz machine and I'm wondering if I need more RAM. Depending on who I talk to, I get a different answer so I'm hoping for some educated opinions. I've been monitoring my system and I get the following numbers from the Activity Monitor:
    Wired: 1.20 GB
    Active: 1.81 GB
    Inactive: 957 MB
    Free: 53 MB
    Although it appears I have quite a bit of memory between inactive and free, the computer at times performs "choppy" and slow. I get the "beachball" frequently. I've verified the disc volume and also verified permissions and there appears to be no issues.
    Based on the fact that the computer is used heavily by two users, is there a possibility that I do need more RAM? Or should I run an diagnostic on the computer to confirm if there is another issue. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

    Hello wenwon (and welcome),
    1. Assuming you've decided (wisely) to follow the suggestions to add RAM, I can only add that you should shop around - for only - "certified" RAM for your Mac Pro. Just for example, I've found macsales.com to be a good source: I bought 4 x 1 GB certified FB-DIMM w/ ECC RAM for a fraction of Apple installed price. Performance has been completely satisfactory.
    Tips: adding RAM to the Mac Pro is easy & fast but must be done exactly to the instructions. macsales.com provides a good video tutorial which will help. Also, you will eventually hear that adding RAM causes more power consumption and higher running temp than, for example, adding hard drives. This is true: but read reviews such as the one on AMUG <http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/intel/macpro/>, which allievates that concern.
    2. I firmly agree with AjanovicH; don't jump on 10.5 as soon as it comes out. I had the chance to talk in person to a developer and he "seconded" my own "wait for maturity" standard. Besides, he also said that 10.4 has (obviously) reached full maturity and stability. How long you wait is up to you - just keep track of subsequent point releases (as in: 10.5.2, etc). And - do keep track of what's being said on the 10.5 Discussion threads and whatever other sources you find reliable. My own rule of thumb is to wait until the XX.x.5 release comes out. Minimizes the chance of spending time with problems which do come during the interim releases.

  • Mac Pro 2.0 outperforming Mac Pro 2.66, WHY?

    Ok Guys, I am stumped here and hopefully someone can shed some light.
    I have 2 Mac Pros: System 1 - 2 x 2.66 with 9GB of memory and System 2 - a recently acquired 2 x 2.0 with 5 GB of memory.
    System 1 has banks filled as follows:
    Riser A
    Bank 1: 2gb
    Bank 2: 2Gb
    Bank 3: 512
    Bank 4: 512
    Riser B
    Bank 1: 2gb
    Bank 2: 2Gb
    Bank 3: empty
    Bank 4: empty
    In System 2, I installed snow leopard after reformatting a 500 GB WD (7200rpm)caviar drive w/16 MB cache. There is also a 2nd WD drive (1 TB, 7200 Rpm)
    Having plans to upgrade the 2.O Mac pro, I decided to compare it against my "faster" Mac pro 2.66. I took a video file that is 1hr 23 mins. It took 56 mins to render in IDVD coming from ImovieHD. Knowing that the 2.66 is significantly faster than the 2.0, I was thinking it would take maybe 44 mins to complete on the Mac Pro 2.66... to my surprise it took 1 hr 49 mins.
    Thinking that the benefits were due to snow leopard. I backed up the system, reformatted the drive and installed Snow leopard and all my apps on the Mac Pro 2.66. I did the same test, the performance was even worst - it took 2 hrs 3 mins. After dropping the F-bomb a couple times I started looking at other things.
    The Mac Pro 2.6 has 2 x 1 TB 7200 drives the OS drive has a 32 GB cache the other drive a 16 Mb cache.
    The memory in the 2.0 is configured as follows:
    Riser A
    Bank 1: 1gb
    Bank 2: 1Gb
    Bank 3: 512
    Bank 4: 512
    Riser B
    Bank 1: 512
    Bank 2: 512
    Bank 3: 512
    Bank 4: 512
    The video files on both systems are located on the non-OS file but I create the disk image from IDVD to the desktop on the OS Volume. The workflow is identical on both systems.
    Both video cards are the stock Nvidia 7300. All drives are 7200 rpm. Why is my Mac Pro 2.0 outperforming the MacPro 2.66 with almost twice as much memory? I even filled the two empty slots on the MAC pro 2.66 thinking that is why it was taking a hit, it did not help.
    Any good suggestions welcome.

    Some tidbits:
    RAM should be in quad and paired across Risers.
    4 x 2GB (or 4 x 4GB) is your best as far as memory bandwidth
    6 DIMMs is not ideal (8 DIMMs properly paired is okay but higher latencies)
    Higher density RAM also shows improvements.
    HARD DRIVES are an easy investment and can be used in whatever system you need now or later.
    7.2k drives are fine, yours are on the old side.
    Especially that 500GB model.
    SATA III, latest models, show 20% improvement, 64MB cache
    4 WD Caviar Black 640GB @ $70 eachm or 1TB to 2TB ($85-170)
    boot from one, and stripe the other two or three.
    You probably aren't ready to throw SSDs in, nor do you want $200-275 for 10K WD VelociRaptors (300-600GB) which are fast and make nice drives for system, scratch, and of course in arrays.
    Other throught - cpu upgrade project 5300: get a set of 5355s off ebay and have an 8-core frenzy for $400 the set.
    2006 Mac Pro Clovertown (Quad core) CPU Swaps Revisited
    2006 Mac Pro Quad-Core CPU Upgrade report (5350's OC'd to 3.3GHz)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOF435jCg8E
    http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/jan11/011311.html#S28002
    - search cpu upgrades
    http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/cpucards.html
    Time to replace those 7300s, if they aren't ready to bulge and blow a capacitor already. Shame that there really are few choices, 5770 or... 5770.
    OS drive should be lean, fast, and just OS and apps
    data or media drive
    editing drives
    higher capacity drives w/ 64MB cache are a plus, just being 3rd generation of Caviar Black line improvements rather than 4 yr old 500GB 16MB cache model
    +Tried to break-down and decipher your setup and results for my own use:+
    System 2
    Installed snow leopard
    500 GB WD (7200rpm)caviar drive w/16 MB cache.
    2nd WD drive (1 TB, 7200 Rpm)
    Mac pro 2.O against my "faster" Mac pro 2.66.
    video file is 1hr 23 mins. It took 56 mins to render in iDVD coming from ImovieHD.
    I was thinking it would take maybe 44 mins to complete on the Mac Pro 2.66... to my surprise it took 1 hr 49 mins.
    Thinking that the benefits were due to snow leopard. I backed up the system, reformatted the drive and installed Snow leopard and all my apps on the Mac Pro 2.66.
    I work with a 2006 2.0 and a 2009 4-core 2.66GHz and the difference between the two is noticeable enough to consider upgrading my 1,1 to 5355s, 4 x 2GB (or more), and 5770, JUST so it can 'compete' on equal footing with $2k Mac Pro Special:
    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/mac_pro
    Or for just $1800
    http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2011/20110123_MacProBargain--macpro.html

  • Mac Pro 2.66 quad or MacBook Retina 2.7 quad for Logic Pro?

    Hi Guys,
    It has come time to replace my ageing Mac Pro in my home studio, and I am in a quandry as to what to choose.
    Up until now, the sensible choice has always been a Mac Pro, because it allows a number of hard drives (separate drives for audio, and for virtual instruments) to stream at high-speed, which was not possible with a laptop using external USB or firewire drives.
    Thunderbolt changes all this, and I'm now wondering whether to replace the Mac Pro with a MacBook Pro 15" Retina, and connect two external drives via Thunderbolt for my audio and virtual instruments...
    The alternative is to get a newer Mac Pro, and I've noticed a demo 2.66GHz quad at a great price at my Mac dealer.
    I'm really not sure which way to go. On the one hand, I like the idea of just one computer (the MacBook 15") for both studio and non-studio work, as it would mean I no longer need my 13" MacBook for non-music related tasks. I also like the idea of the main drive being SSD in the Retina. The MacBook 15" can be specced with 16GB of RAM, letting go of the previous RAM limits of earlier MacBooks. The downside is that external Thunderbolt hard drives are still incredibly expensive, and I'd need two!
    On the other hand, the Mac Pro is brilliant in that it can house all the hard drives I need, is expandable port-wise (although is that really such a big deal these days?), and it would mean I have a dedicated computer in the studio just for music, and can keep my non-music stuff separate on my 13" laptop.
    I'd love some thoughts on what will do a better job for me in the studio. Perhaps I've missed a key benefit of one of the approaches above, that actually puts one option significantly ahead of another!
    Keen to hear people's thoughts, perhaps from people who have had experience running DAWs on both machines I'm looking at.
    Thanks guys!
    Mike

    What are you using for an audio interface? It's not just disks...
    I have a similar question, currently 8-core MacPro, and a couple of 17" MBPs for live rig and general use.
    There's another option, the non-retina MBP...
    There's supposed to be new MacPro next year. I would hope it's a serious rethink of the architecture. Internals via thunderbolt connectors for starters? No version of SATA will keep up with that... So... I keep my supposedly long-in-the-tooth MacPro, feed it memory, swap out eSATA card for USB 3, so I can transition external drives to something faster and get away from eSATA connectors - hate those things! OWC has a bootable SSD card that goes in a slot, which is supposedly. Much faster than any version of SATA. It's pricey, and... If I didn't think they'd be doing away with expansions slots as we know 'em, I'd score one of these, but it's a lot of cash for something that may not go over to the nextgen MacPro. I have *no idea* what it's going to be, just looking at a machine today and wondering about what they could leave off a new version, while giving the kind of power and expansion we want in-the-box as opposed to hanging off of it.
    I would personally *not* buy a new MacPro today, because I have hopes for what the next one will be.
    Laptops, MBPs. Love the power of the new machines! C'mon. Those geek bench scores are ridiculous, so I would score one in a sec, but have to have a strategy for my live rig. Audio interface is FireWire and I run an eSATA card in the express slot for streaming samples (rack mounted drive from Glyph). Oops, the FW audio interface can't connect and there's no express card slot so my streaming performance falls back to usb2 speeds (my Glyph has a quad interface, but not USB3). The non-retina MBP gives a FW port but doesn't have the sexy screen... Assuming cost is not an issue (not true), hanging an SSD off one of the USB3 ports would surely bring good to great sample streaming rates, but still have to get another audio interface, and then strange as it sounds, probably something over USB...
    So... I ultimately decided to wait for the market for peripherals mature for the new connectors, usb3 and thunderbolt.
    End of story. MacPro=next year and... Pull the trigger on a retina MBP once I'm sure my peripherals are all in place. The MBPs do go out live, so they're in Speck protective cases. Adds bulk, probably ugly bulk to a rMBP, but it beats trusting the roadies at the venue. MBP, audio interface and streaming HD all in a nifty rack case the size of a carry-on bag, even wheels and a trolley handle!
    Not really a 1-2-3 answer, but these are my thoughts on the pieces of kit you seem to be considering too...

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