DFSr supported cluster configurations - replication between shared storage

Question

I have a very specific configuration for DFSr that appears to be suffering severe performance issues when hosted on a cluster, as part of a DFS replication group.
My configuration:
3 Physical machines (blades) within a physical quadrant.
3 Physical machines (blades) hosted within a separate physical quadrant
Both quadrants are extremely well connected, local, 10GBit/s fibre.
There is local storage in each quadrant, no storage replication takes place.
The 3 machines in the first quadrant are MS clustered with shared storage LUNs on a 3PAR filer.
The 3 machines in the second quadrant are also clustered with shared storage, but on a separate 3PAR device.
8 shared LUNs are presented to the cluster in the first quadrant, and an identical storage layout is connected in the second quadrant. Each LUN has an associated HAFS application associated with it which can fail-over onto any machine in the local cluster.
DFS replication groups have been set up for each LUN and data is replicated from an "Active" cluster node entry point, to a "Passive" cluster node that provides no entry point to the data via DFSn and a Read-Only copy on it's shared cluster
storage.
For the sake of argument, assume that all HAFS application instances in the first quadrant are "Active" in a read/write configuration, and all "Passive" instances of the HAFS applications in the other quadrants are Read-Only.
This guide: http://blogs.technet.com/b/filecab/archive/2009/06/29/deploying-dfs-replication-on-a-windows-failover-cluster-part-i.aspx defines
how to add a clustered service to a replication group. It clearly shows using "Shared storage" for the cluster, which is common sense otherwise there effectively is no application fail-over possible and removes the entire point of using a resilient
cluster.
This article: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773238(v=ws.10).aspx#BKMK_061 defines the following:
DFS Replication in Windows Server 2012 and Windows Server 2008 R2 includes the ability to add a failover cluster
as a member of a replication group. The DFS Replication service on versions of Windows prior to Windows Server 2008 R2
is not designed to coordinate with a failover cluster, and the service will not fail over to another node.
It then goes on to state, quite incredibly: DFS Replication does not support replicating files on Cluster Shared Volumes.
Stating quite simply that DFSr does not support Cluster Shared Volumes makes absolutely no sense at all after stating clusters
are supported in replication groups and a technet guide is provided to setup and configure this configuration. What possible use is a clustered HAFS solution that has no shared storage between the clustered nodes - none at all.
My question:  I need some clarification, is the text meant to read "between" Clustered
Shared Volumes?
The storage configuration must to be shared in order to form a clustered service in the first place. What
we am seeing from experience is a serious degradation of
performance when attempting to replicate / write data between two clusters running a HAFS configuration, in a DFS replication group.
If for instance, as a test, local / logical storage is mounted to a physical machine the performance of a DFS replication group between the unshared, logical storage on the physical nodes is approaching 15k small files per minute on initial write and even high
for file amendments. When replicating between two nodes in a cluster, with shared clustered storage the solution manages a weak 2,500 files per minute on initial write and only 260 files per minute when attempting to update data / amend files.
By testing various configurations we have effectively ruled out the SAN, the storage, drivers, firmware, DFSr configuration, replication group configuration - the only factor left that makes any difference is replicating from shared clustered storage, to another
shared clustered storage LUN.
So in summary:
Logical Volume ---> Logical Volume = Fast
Logical Volume ---> Clustered Shared Volume = ??
Clusted Shared Volume ---> Clustered Shared Volume = Pitifully slow
Can anyone explain why this might be?
The guidance in the article is in clear conflict with all other evidence provided around DFSr and clustering, however it seems to lean towards why we may be seeing a real issue with replication performance.
Many thanks for your time and any help/replies that may be received.
Paul

Answer 1

Hello Shaon Shan,
I am also having the same scenario at one of my customer place.
We have two FileServers running on Hyper-V 2012 R2 as guest VM using Cluster Shared Volume.  Even the data partition drive also a part of CSV.
It's really confusing whether the DFS replication on CSV are supported or not, then what would be consequence if using.
In my knowledge we have some customers they are using Hyper-V 2008 R2 and DFS is configured and running fine on CSV since more than 4 years without any issue.
Appreciate if you can please elaborate and explain in details about the limitations on using CSV.
Thanks in advance,
Abul