Difference - Demand Planning

Hello All,
In Demand Planning I wanted to know the difference between Top Down Demand Planning and Bottom Up
demand planning.
Can anybody please explain ?
Thank you for the help.
Regards
Steve

Hi Amol and All,
That article definately helps and gives a perspective of the types of planning that we can use.
But, with respect of SAP, what are the configurations that we have to change if the system is designed
intially for Top Down Demand Planning ?
Thank you for all the help and efforts for the article.
Regards
Steve

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How to configure for the give senario where we from APO demand planning, we provide baseline forecast into TPM

Hello Guru's,
Request for information on smart documentation on the integration between Trade Promotion Management and SCM-Demand Planning from an architecture perspective how to configure for the give senario where we from APO demand planning, we provide baseline forecast into TPM and from TPM promotions values can be considered in to APO demand planning: can anybody give me some insight on it.
Thanks in advance.
Kumar

Hi Praveen
There are several ways you can connect a DP system to a TPM. How are your interfaces and systems setup?
Option1:
Extract the baseline from APO to a BW cube, extract the data out of BW, may be using infospokes/open hub and pass it on to TPM.
2. Have a custom program written in APO-DP to extract the selected keyfigure data at the aggregation level into an interface or a .txt file into APO directory and use some data transfer service such as EDI to take this data and send to TPM.
In my experience it is simple to define an integration process. The much larger and complicated aspects are the date adjustments and the aggregation levels.
Date adjustments:
Understand the basis of the data in APO and TPM. APO is usually at the requested delivery date or material availability date ( when the customer like a store wants the product). However TPMs are usually at the consumption date ( when an end customer like you and me but from store shelf). Depending on the product and business style this can mean several days difference. Let's say it is 25 days on average, you need to add 25 days to APO base line date to get the TPM consumption date.
Aggregation level:
This can be product or customer. If the planning in DP is at product sku level and the TPM is at packs or brand level, you need to aggregate the data up before loading to TPM. The same with customer.
To me the most complex part of the integration is to understand and transform the data in a meaningful way and a strategy to sustain this integration by keeping both DP and TPM in sync in terms of master data. Also important to have a process for identifying exceptions and failures. you send baseline from DP to TPM and if it fails, how do you know? how do you trouble shoot?
Hope these help.

Customer Forecast Management vs. Collaborative Demand Planning

Hello,
Currently my client is trying to replace 40-50 raw excel format forecast which they receive from multiple customers with SAP APO.
They use a consolidated format and upload it into another 3rd party tool currently.
My question is which best suits the purpose in short term as they are very limited on resources. I would also like to know the difference between using Customer forecast management vs. Collaborative demand planning in this context.
Thank you all,
Sai.

You can use the GATP functionality known as Product Allocation for this scenario. This will basically mean that you need to maintain product allocations against each customer in your GATP planning book and every time you create a sales order in R/3, the quantity will be checked against the allocated quantity in APO GATP. If the quantity exceeds the allocated quantity for that given month, then sales order cannot be confirmed.
You will need to explore this funcionality in APO GATP and this should help your requirement.
Cheers,
Srinidhi

Aggregates in demand planning

HI guru's
Do we use aggregates on MPO's in demand planning, is there any difference which used in bw,
thanks in advance
regards
ravi

Hi,
The aggregates in APO are not the same as those in the Business Information Warehouse (BW), but they have the same purpose: to speed up data access and therefore increase performance. SAP recommends that you use aggregates in Demand Planning.
An APO aggregate contains a subset of the characteristics in the master planning object structure. The creation and use of aggregates is optional. The data is always saved on the lowest level of detail. If aggregates exist, the system saves the planning data on the defined aggregate levels as well as on the lowest level of detail. The data is saved twice, but consistently; that is, the sum of the details equals the aggregate value.
SAP recommends that the aggregates you build in APO for planning data also exist in BW for actual data.
If you want to save fixed values at aggregate level ; that is not at detail level of the master planning object structure, in a planning book, you must create aggregates for this level. Otherwise the data is only saved at detail level.
You cannot form aggregates for navigational attributes
Hope this will help you...
Regards
Sujay

Difference Between planning plant & production plant ?

Hi PP members:
I would like to know difference between planning plant & production plant ? Why do we maintain planning plant
Thanks for your time & efforts
Thanks Again,
Suren R

Hi,
Suppose there are two plants A & B in an organisational structure.
Suppose you need a material in plant A but you cannot produce it in plant A because of unavailability of resources. And these resources are available in plant B.
So you can produce the material in plant B and the requirement is thru plant A (e.g thru MRP). Here plant A becomes planning plant & plant B becomes production plant.
To carry out the actual planning and production, follow the following steps-
1) In SPRO, in the special proc key parameter's setting for plant A, mention plant B as the alternative plant.
2) Prepare the material master of the required material in plant A, in MRP 2 view maintain spl proc key as 40 (proc from alt plant) or 80 (production in alternative plant)
3)Maintain the material master in the alternative plant too. In MRP 2 maintain proc type = E. Maintain routing.
4) Carry out MRP run in plant A. If there is any demand, a STPR (spl proc key 40) or planned order (spl proc key 80) will be created in plant A. The stock requirement list will show plant B as the production plant.
5) In case of 40, a planned order will be created in plant B. In case of 80, with proper settings, the planned order in plant A after converting becomes a production order in B.
6)Carry out the production. In case of 40 the material can be sent to plant A from B thru STPO. In 80 the stock in plant A is directly updated when you hit a GR against production order in plant B
7) KINDLY CLOSE THE THREAD.
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Mahesh Patil

Difference between planning r/3 and BPS

Hello gurus
Can u please let me know the main difference between planning in R/3 and BW-BPS
komal

Hi,
SAP R/3 planning
1. CO-PA is used to input sales forecasts and production
quantities directly into CO (reporting out of Report Painter
or ABAP)
2. Sales and operational planning can assist with make or buy
planning (reporting out of ABAP or standard SAP R/3 reports)
3. Production planning determines the capacity and your ability
to meet the sales and operational plan (reporting out of ABAP
or LIS)
4. Cost center planning and/or product costing uses planned
activity rates and/or product costs to derive the P&L (reporting
out of standard SAP R/3 reports or ABAP)
5. Possible other plans in PCA, labor in HR, and procurement in
MM (reporting out of various SAP R/3 reporting tools)
BI-IP planning
1. BI-IP is used to input sales forecasts and production quantities
(reporting out of SAP NetWeaver BI)
2. BI-IP can be used for sales and operational planning for make
or buy planning (reporting out of SAP NetWeaver BI)
3. APOs Demand Planning determines the capacity and your
ability to meet the sales and operational plan (reporting out of
SAP NetWeaver BI)
4. BI-IP performs cost center planning and/or product costing
using planned activity rates and/or product costs to derive the
P&L (reporting out of SAP NetWeaver BI)
5. Possible other plans in BI-IP include profit center, labor, cost
center, and procurement (reporting out of SAP NetWeaver BI)
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&#56256;&#56460; Has sophisticated allocation functionality
&#56256;&#56422; BPS does not
&#56256;&#56422; Consider retraction of BI-IP data to SAP R/3 for allocation
&#56256;&#56460; Offers availability control
&#56256;&#56422; Not available in BI-IP
&#56256;&#56460; Allows you to use existing Report Painter/Writer SAP R/3
reports in planning
&#56256;&#56422; BI-IP uses SAP NetWeaver BI reports or must retract
data back to SAP R/3 to use existing Report
Painter/Writer reports
BI-IP pros:
&#56256;&#56460; Allows you to use master data that does not exist in SAP R/3
&#56256;&#56422; For SAP R/3 planning, SAP R/3 master data must be used
&#56256;&#56422; Limits your ability to do what ifs with nonexistent
master data or hierarchies
&#56256;&#56460; Has one interface for all planning and reporting
&#56256;&#56422; SAP R/3 has different interfaces for each SAP R/3 module,
thus increasing confusion and training costs
&#56256;&#56460; Easier full integration in BI-IP harder to achieve in SAP R/3
&#56256;&#56460; Uses single reporting tool in BI-IP (SAP NetWeaver BI) SAP
R/3 uses different tools per module
All planning functions are available in BI-IP regardless of
functional area
&#56256;&#56422; In SAP R/3, planning functions differ by module or dont
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&#56256;&#56460; All planning functions are Web-enabled in BI-IP
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Difference between Planning Version and Simulation Version

Hi friends,
What is the difference between Planning Version and Simulation Version?
Thanks,
Debi

Debi
There are a lot of threads in this forum that give detailed info about version concept. Also you can refer to help.sap.
Anyways , planning version is the version against which your live cache data is stored. The data against this version is the one that the planners and buyers are going to refer to or use to make their planning and buying decisions. Data against the planning version is nothing but data relevant to the business .
There may be instances where you would like to simulate some scenario. If you want to do trial and error analysis and at the same time if you do not want to impact the actual business data , then you create simulation versions and simulate your scenario.
For example your actual sales orders received for the month of March may be 100 CS. This is the actual number that will be stored against your planning version. Lets say the demand planner wants to find out what will be the impact if there is a sudden bulk demand from a new customer for 500 CS - that is if he wants to do a what - if analysis then he can create a simulation version and try to check the impact .
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Aparna

Not able to Upload data in Demand Planning data view

Hi
I am trying to upload a csv file in to Demand planning interactive planning through " Upload Data " functionality
First I exported data from interactive planning , updated some data in file and again trying to upload same file.
I am getting following error
File cannot be uploaded
Message no. /SAPAPO/SDP_UPLOAD009
Diagnosis
File has no technical information or incorrect technical information.
Procedure
Save the file again locally. Make sure that the file has the technical information.
Could u please suggest what needs to be done
Thanks and regards,
Nitin Lavhe

Hello,
For using the upload data functionality from interactive planning grid, you need to first download the data. While downloading the data, please check the check box for "Prepare the file for upload at later time", and then select the option of putting the technical setting into the file or into the system. Either way is okay. Then try uploading the same file.
This should solve your problem.
Thank you.
Regards,
Jacky Jain.
SAP APO Architect.

Business Process: Final Demand Plan Key Figure in the past for APO DP

Hello APO process experts,
I have a BPX question for APO DP process owners, consultants or gurus:
1.- Have you ever seen in any SAP APO customer, that in their APO DP planning books, they chose or designed to update the Final Demand Plan key Figure in the past closed historical buckets with the Actual Sales?
Meaning that that in the Past closed historical Buckets, Actual Sales and Final Demand Plan, look exactily the same.
Meaning that they create a dynamic Final Demand Plan key figure so to speak, yet they did not choose to create a key figure that also keeps the Final Demand Plan as originally entered.
2.- Would you think that doing the above, without keeping any keyfigure in the planning book that actually shows what the Final Demand Plan was in the Past, is a good practice?
The Demand Planner could still retreive the Final Demand Plan from BI reports, yet, dynamically they could never really see it in the planning book.
3.- Do you think the above dynamic key figure would bias the Demand Planner's behaviour to manipulate the future open Final Demand Plan buckets to enter volumes in order sum to a monthly total, independently of what were the over and underachievements in the past (since they are not really visible to him) ?
I would really like your feedback,
thanks in advance!
JD Loera

Hello Thanks for your feedback.
I agree with your point, and I hope that i still get more feedback from other Business Process Experts.
I am trying to build a case for my client, to challenge the decision of their initial design as this practice is going to hurt the Demand Management process, if what they intend to achieve is a true "unconstrained demand plan"
Much appreciated
JD Loera

Error Message When Opening Interactive Demand Planning

Hello Experts,
I have one user who is receiving the following error message when trying to open Interactive Demand Planning Workbook. Only one user is experiencing this issue. Has anyone run into this before?
GP: Graphics product not available in this system; see long text
Message no. APPLG225
Diagnosis
The required graphics product is not available on the current platform. It is either not permitted, or it does not work properly.
The application does not have a fallback strategy.
Procedure
Application/Specialists
Contact your developers to see if a fallback strategy can be implemented.
Development
Check the call method of the graphics proxy. If the graphics product is not mandatory (parameter FORCE_PROD), then the graphics proxy can select a different graphics product that is available on this platform.

Dear Adam,
The prerequisite for graphics in planning folders is the SAP Internet Graphics Server. The connection between the SAP Internet Graphics Server and the system in which you operate BPS must take place using an RFC destination of the type TCP/IP with the predefined name IGS_DEST_POFO.
Please make sure that your settings are correct and check the online help at:   http://help.sap.com/saphelp_sem320bw/helpdata/en/05/
242537cedf2056e10000009b38f936/frameset.htm
Planning Folder
> Editing a Planning Folder: Details
      >Planning Folder: Portfolio Graphic"
Please have a look at the following notes as well that helped to solve problems with the IGS. 454042 IGS: Installing and Configuring the IGS
676532 Dumps in transactions with splitter containers
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Tibor

Issue in creating Duet Demand Planning Sheet on the basis of Dataview

Hi all,
We are using following landscape
Landscape Details-
 SAPAPO = SCM 700 0002 - SAPKY7002
 Duet 1.5 - 150.700 SP3
 Duet Demand Planning u2013 1000.150.700.3.0 (Server Component), 1000.150.700.3.0 (Client Component)
There are 2 ways available to create Duet Demand Planning Sheet
1. On the basis of existing Demand Planning Scenario
2. On the basis of existing Data views( with SAP macros)
We are able to create Duet planning Sheet with 1 option. But we got erro with second Option that is on the basis od Data view(with macros).
Planning area, Planning Book/Data view and Selection Ids are existing and active.All the Webservices given by SAP are released.
Duet is able to retrive the list of Dataviews avilable for the Planning Area. But it is failing to retrieve the Data View Details the Error is as follow
"No view Details were found Please choose another dataview."
Web Service Call (PlanningViewDetails):
java.rmi.RemoteException:Service call exception; nested exception is:
java.rmi.UnmarshalException: Attribute schemeAgencyID is required in element ID !
Data: TYPEID DUET_JAVA_ADDON
Data: SEVERITYCODE 2
Exception of type 'System.Exception' was thrown.
Is there any SAPNOTE for this ?Any specific configuration requirement from SAPAPO side?
Any webservices to be applied?
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Thanks & Regards
Rahul

Hi
There are couple of OSS notes, you might have already seen:
1371328 Internal Error using Planning Book with Aux. KF
1431661 Duet Demand Planning 1.5 SP4.
Regards
Datta

Loading Demand plan data from APO to BW

Hi Gurus,
We have requirement as below.
we have to extract two key figures from APO to BW system
The 2key figures of APO will get data as below:
First key figure has to hold Yearly snap shot and 2nd Key figure has to hold QTY snapshot.
we have constrained production plan & sales plan keyfigures in apo demand planning and the requirement is to extract these 2 keyfigure quaintest into BI.
Data Example as below:
KF1: Yearly snapshot
KF2: Quarterly snapshots
Yearly data means from   Jan to Dec and
Quaterly data is as below
Qtr1 - Dec       JAN to Dec
Qtr2 (in FEB) - Mar to Dec
Qtr3 (in May) - Jun to Dec
Qtr4 (in Aug) - Sep to Dec
so please let me know to how to handle or extract these data into BW.
Thanks,
Shailaja

Hi Venkat,
Yes, both the key figures are ther in the same planning area.
But my question here is how to get that data into BW? meaning...
If APO/DP does the planning in the month of Sep 2010 for Jan to dec 2011 and the
values are like
Sep-10   jan      Feb mar   april may june july aug sep oct   nov dec
               15     14     13      11    10     11     12     16    14         15   22     20
Dec-10   12     14   16        18    29     20    18     15   14    12   17        20
Mar-11          10 12   13       14     15   16    17 18         20
Jul-11                                  20       40     30      40       50
meaning, If the planning is done in the month of Sep 2010 for the yr 2011 as explained above that values should be extracted into BW and the next planning will be done in the month of Dec 2010 again for entire yr of 2011 i.e. Jan 2011 to Dec2011.
But the values should be captured as they are.. that means if i use DSO the values from request1 to request2 will be over written n if i use the cube they will be added up..
Request1 will hold data of Sep2010: planning data
Request2 wil hold Dec 2010 data ....n req3 will hold data of Mar 11...
but users want to see the values or planning figures as they are.
Hope i made my requimrent more detailled.
Please let me know the solution to get the data as it is in BW.
Thanks,
Shailaja

What is best practice to do APO Demand planning

Hi,
My client wants to implement demand planning.
Client has come up with one scenario like a New Customer is created in ECC, and if I use BI and then APO flow ( ECC -> BI -> APO-BI) for Demand planning, user will have to wait for another day. (AS BI is always having one day delay).
For this scenarios user is insisting on ECC and APO-DP interface.
Will anybody suggest what should be the best practice for Demand planning.
ECC -> Standalone BI -> Planning area (Planning is done in APO) -> Stand alone BI
Or ECC -> APO-DP (Planning is done in APO) -> Standalone BI system
I hope I am able to explain my scenario.
Regards,
ST

Hi Sujoy,
Thanks for reply.
(1) I have to get Sales Order data from ECC into BI standalone system Cube.
(2) Then from this cube same data is sent to SCM APO - BI Cube.
(3) Planning will be done in SCM APO.
(4) Planned data is again sent to BI standalone system, Using datamart on Planned area.
(5) In BI we will have reporting on cube, which has ECC sales order data and APO Planned data.
But in this case, there is always delay between data loads (firstly ECC -> BI, then BI -> APO, then APO -> BI).
In this case, if a new customer is created, Client wants to see demand planning in latest data.
How do we do APO DP generally?
Do we follow the route from BI, or directly between ECC and APO..
Hope I am able to explain the scenario..

What is the best practice for APO - Demand planning implementation

Hi,
M client wants to implement demand planning.
Cient has come up with one scenario like a New Customer is created in ECC, and if I use BI and then APO flow for Demand planning, user will have to wait for another day. (AS BI is always having one day delay).
For this scenarios user is insisting on ECC and APO-DP interface.
Will anybody suggest what should be the best practice for Demand planning.
ECC -> Standalone BI -> Planning area (Planning is done in APO) -> Stand alone BI
Or ECC -> APO-DP (Planning is done in APO) -> Standalone BI system
I hope I am able to explain my scenario.
Regards,
Saurabh

Any suggestions !!

Changing the Chart Title in Graphic View in Interactive demand Planning

Hi All,
Is it possible to change the Chart title in Graphic View in interactive demand planning screen.
When we go to interactive planning after loading the data we go to Univariate forecast then switch to graphic, the chart title shows the selection at which the planning is done. For eg; If I plan at die level and i select a particular sap material, the chart title displays Die value and not the material value.
Is it possible to change the chart title such that it displays all the selections made in selection winodw, like in the above case both Die value as well as SAP Material Number.
Thanks and Regards,
Diana

Dear Diana,
unfortunately this is not possible.
The chart title is build from the planning book name + the Show characteristic in the shuffler (+ available nav. attributes of the Show char).
The functionality you requested doesn't exist in standard.
Regards,
Tibor

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