Face recognition over time

How does Faces deal with change of appearance over time? Am I confusing it by asking it to recognize our children as they grew up over 30 years? And when my friend grew a beard?

Very good question!
I have about 12,000 family photos going back from 1850 to the present day. Some ancestors/descendants look like each other, most don't!
But this makes some of the suggestions from Faces quite amusing: is my granddaughter the same as her great great aunt?!
One of my grandsons is a total clone of his father, and pictures of them at the same age confuses Faces no end!
But the more photos you identify, the better Faces works, but you won't confuse it, Faces will often confuse you!

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How to reset the Face Recognition on folder to start the search/detection over again.

I was going along fine (though very slowly) and had 5000 photos identified as my son. Hours later I was down to a few handful of photo and did a select all and dragged then to my son's named photo. After that I can still see all the photos of him, but Lightroom does not look to detect face on any of the pictures. I tried Photos--> People and all is greyed out. The first run through it detected them (until I did the Select all) and all the photos are still there. It is like Lightroom does not think there are people in the picture and there are , or it thinks that it already analyzed them and will keep doing so.
Is there a way to tell Lightroom to re-analyse this folder (5k of photos) to look for people again. Lightroom seems to have forgotten the Face Regions?
All the other proper in the 5K photos are designed correctly.

I agree with Zim. When you start Toshiba Face recognition tool click on option register Face.
On the right side click on Next and start to practice the face recognition option. For the first time using the face recognition, practicing is very useful. If you choose skip the recognition will start without practicing.
Toshiba Face recognition tool takes a digital snapshot of the users face to create a unique password by digital mapping of key features of the users face. Please set also password. Password (inputting through keyboard) is the backup solution when user cannot log-on by face recognition through Web Camera.
It is not complicated. Just follow menu on the screen.

LRCC Face recognition - best practices?

Ok so we are all new to the wonderful world of face recognition in LR. I'm trying to work out what would be the best practices for using this.
A little bit of background - I have a catalog of over 200,000 images. In addition to portrait and wedding clients, a significant part of my work is with models and another significant part of my work is theatre photography. I have be wanting some sort of face recognition to help with both for some time.
What are your namining conventions for people? - here's mine:
Ideally I would label people as "surname, firstname" so that I can keep members of a family together in "named people" display, but commas are not allowed in names. Also the professional name of many models doesn't fit that pattern eg "Strawberry Venom" or "Cute as Sin" are to models I have worked with.
I am trying to come up with a sensible naming convention at the moment it is "Surname/ Firstname" for clients, theatre folk and friends/family. Models are still a problem, at present I am thinking of "Surname/ Firstname (model name(s))" While I may not be able to remember the real names of models, I do usually know the names from model releases. This naming will still permit me to filter/find them in the keyword List panel by just entering the model name.
On final addition I am making to this this naming convention is the use of a hashtag suffix to the name: #F for friends and family, #C for clients, #T for theatre/actors and #M for models. This enables me to filter on just models, or just actors, or just friends and familiy. Where people fall into multiple categories I add multiple hashtags. So photos of me would be keyworded with "Butterfield/ Ian #F #T"
Unknown / unidentified people.
What I am not yet certain about is how to handle unknown / unidentified people. Unidentified people fall into a number of different categories.
People I don't know and I am never likely to know (Eg random strangers on the street, local tour guides on holiday, random people in the background etc)
This group is relatively easy to deal with - that is to simply delete the face recognition, End of story.
People I don't know the names of yet but I am likely to find out (Eg actors in a production for which I don't have a programme)
For these people I am making up a unique name using the format "date/ Context-Gendernn" Eg an unknown male actor at Stockport Garrick Theatre would be named as "20150313/ SGT-M01" Although this may appear a complex solution it has a number of advantages. If/when I do learn the name of the individual (Eg I photograph them in a different production) it is simply a case of renaming the people keyword. Creating a unique name and not simple assigning all unknowns to a bucket name will help the face recognition algorithms find this person without it being confused by have different faces assigned to the same name. I am also using the hashtage #U to make it easier to filter the unknown faces when I need to.
People I don't know the names of and there is only a slim possibility of meeting/photographing again (Eg guests as a client weeding)
It feels as though I out to just delete the face recognition and have done with it, and this is what I would do except for thing. Other than manually drawing face regions I have not yet found a way to get lightroom to rescan a folder for faces if you have previously deleted the face recognition. This means that deleting face regions from a large number of people is something that cannot be easily reversed. I might just leave these people in the "Unnamed People" category... at lease until such time as there is a way to rescan a folder or colectoin.
Summary
My practices are still evolving. But I hope these thoughts and idea will help others think through the issues and come up with solutions that work for their situation. I am interested in hearing how other people are using the face recognition system. Especially if anyone is aware of any 'best practices' that Adobe or anyone else has recommended.

Glad it helped.
Yes and no. You can still put the people keywords into hierarchies within the keyword list - you can arrange them just like any other keywords.so you just create a "smith family" keyword and store "john smith" under it. What you can't do is apply BOTH smith family and john smith the the same face.
My use of the hash tags came about because I initially had a top level keyword for models, one for clients, one for theatre peple and one for family and firends. Then discovered that some of the theatre folk were also clients (headshots) and what to do when a friend is also a client. So the hash tag system means a person can be both a friend, a model, an actor as well as being a client! (#T #C #M #F).

IPhoto 11 face recognition has lousy results!

New iMac user here. I am loading all of my photos into iPhoto 11 year by year so I can identify Faces and locations. The Faces recognition feature is doing a lousy job! Even with a series of photos taken on the same day Faces seems to only recognize the same person about a third of the time. Sometimes it will give a wild guess, but most of the time it just labels everything as unidentified. I've labeled over 1000 photos already. Shouldn't Faces be more accurate by now? Is there anything I can do to improve this?

Yeah it is terrible, I wish they could swap in how Picasa handles face recognition. I'm really torn as Picasa is incredible at facial recognition, but the rest of the app is terrible. iPhoto is the opposite.

Face Recognition Tips?

Hey Aperture Geniuses (Geni?),
I've been playing around with Aperture 3.0 (only 8000 photos so far ), and I was just curious about the face recognition tech. I know it's supposed to get more accurate as you tag each person with more photos, but what if some of the earlier photos look a bit different from recent ones? Not massively different (not like a child->adult gap, but more teen->adult); would it be best to perhaps keep four year old photos in a separate library to keep the face finder more accurate? Or anything else that I can do to keep it accurate?
What if I ID like a side-view of my face; will that screw up the preview?
I'm just curious about how the tech works, it's very interesting to me. Thanks so much!
Message was edited by: Laurel Grant

Hi Laurel
I'd keep them in the same Library (even though I only have a bit over 5000 images ).
For example: I have quite a lot of shots of my parents, who are now senior citizens. In one shot I was processing recently, Aperture identified a photo of my mother which was pinned to the wall in the background of the photo (my father sitting at their iMac). This was a modern mono laser print (about 8x10" from what I can remember) of a scan of black and white photo taken by my father from around about when they were just married, so that's about a 50 year gap.
I believe I recall also having some success with correct identifications of my nieces. My digital photos range back to late 2001, so their ages have ranged from 9 to 19.
It certainly doesn't get everything right, but I remain more rather than less impressed with the basic technology.
Someone recently posted a link to an Apple knowledge base article describing the face-detection technology in iPhoto (from which Aperture's tech is presumably derived). It said that only faces which are identified by Aperture count as far as identification if individuals is concerned. ie images to which you have added a face square don't count. They're part of the database for that individual, but they don't influence the subsequent identification of people. Which is quite a good thing, since I have more than a few side-on images and even a bunch which are shots of an individual from the back.
Based on observed behaviour, I believe it's sometimes worth telling Aperture to re-detect for faces after doing the first few of a batch. It seems that when it's failed to identify the presence of a face in the initial pass during importing (especially if it's someone new), after teaching it some of the faces it has detected first time around it helps it to detect a face (though perhaps not identify it) when you make a second detection pass.
Regards,
Gary

I am the only one who wants face recognition in LR ?

first... i know where to request features and that this is not the right place.
the feature was requested a long time ago in this forum and also at the adobe feature suggestion website.
i really hoped that with LR 4 we will see face recognition.
and i think it´s a feature many LR user would love to see in lightroom... right?
i have tested a few programs and their face recognition a while ago.
picasa was a bit buggy but the actual face recognition and tagging capability is good. IDImager face recognition was not that accurate.
other apps i have tested... well not worth to mention.
i still found picase and idimage usefull and while face recognition was not perfect .... it was a great help.
please support this feature request if you like by voting here:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/face_recognition_in_lightroom
THX!

This seems to be a heated topic wherever it's brought up. Let me start by saying that I work in the software industry and totally understand the tradeoffs you have to make sometimes. You don't have infinite resources...ever. And I understand the sensitivity in this case because for folks who have used LR for a long time and are dependent on it to get their job done, they clearly want investment in features that they know they will use. If you have used Lightroom for a while and have an established workflow, I can totally understand why face recognition would be useless. And if it's useless, it's logical that you'd want investment in something that was...well...useful.
I, however, agree with the poster and believe that facial recognition is a pretty important feature for Lightroom.
I'd like to offer two perspectives.
The first is my personal perspective. I would consider myself a casual user. I'm a family guy. I've got about 65k photos in my collection and they are all friends/family. My organization scheme has been through 3-4 computers and multiple backup systems over the years. It has been through a variety of different tools from some homegrown things to native Windows tools to Picasa. Bottom line, I have a real mess. Many duplicates due to funny sync strategies but being paranoid about losing photos. Multiple folders because my wife is not so computer savvy and often makes multiple copies. Very little organization. We have a real mess. I've known it for a while and have spent several months trying to find the right solution. Picasa didn't scale for us. IDImager was promising but they are going through some regrowth as they try to adapt to the Mac user community where it was only previously for Windows. Lightroom was the only product I found that could come close to meeting all of my needs. So now I have it in place. I have all of my pictures imported into the catalog. But I need to start tagging/organizing. I want facial recognition to get me started...having to go through 65,000 and manually type keywords for each one is unreasonable. For new photos I import I can do it piecemeal...no problem, and no facial regonition required. Until I can get the existing photos into a searchable/maintainable state, however, I can't take full advantage of Lightroom. While it may not be forever useful, it's crticial to new users getting started with the product.
The second is an industry perspective. Adobe has clearly branded itself as the leader in image editing technology. Heck, "photoshop" is now used as a verb in the average household for people who have never even used the product! That's awesome marketing. That's awesome brand presence. You don't get to be a leader by saying yes to everything. You have to selectively say no. But in cases where you are falling behind from a technology perspective and leaving an obvious hole in your portfolio (especially while potential competition is buying up companies/IP to compete).
In my opinion, the "personal DAM" market is underserved today. The digital age is causing even casual users to outgrow products like Picasa. People are looking for something new. While Lightroom is probably overkill for most of them (me included), it's one of the few products on the market that has a large support community and actually does have enough features to support all of the needs of the home. While more expensive than most of the other home products, it's not out of reach even for the casual user. Adobe has the potential to grow market share (actually, to even grow the market) if they target those needs and improve their "on ramp" for new users. Besides face recognition, this is probably 80%+ a marketing issue and not one requiring product features.

Rebuild Faces recognition database without losing Face associations

Does anybody know a safe way to rebuild a Faces recognition database without:
1) disturbing already associated faces / pictures
2) finding new faces
I've already done a huge amount of manual editing and auto-recognition on my 40K photo database and have culled many of the "don't care" faces and hand-identified literally thousands of faces taht reconitions didn't identify. Unfortunately the recognition database appears to be corrupted, manifiesting itself in two ways:
1) Count of suggested recognized faces doesn't match the number iPhoto claims to be there, plus several of the "suggestions" shown have already been previously Confirmed.
2) Crashes that seem to be related to memory leaks - iPhoto use of memory piles up until it rolls over 1.7G on a machine with 4GB RAM, and now over 3.8GB on a machine with 8GB RAM, then crashes.
I'm hoping there is a way to rebuild recognition database based on tens of thousands meticulously identified, and seemingly accurate (no corruption), face associations. Thoughts ?

Thanks Terence,
Was hoping for some miracle, but your thoughts make sense. I'm actually pursuing a 3-fold recovery strategy and will document what works best.
1) Keep going with the current database despite issues. So far, recognition database corruption seems limited to particular faces that have huge numbers of the same person (3-7K), not smaller lists. And I don't appear to be getting cross corruption where I label a person, then they come back with a different name. Only the suggestion lists appear to have problems, and again, only for a few select people. I also upgraded to 8G of memory (vs. 4G) which seems to give me more running room to avoid/postpone crashes from memory leaks. iPhoto databases is still incredibly valuable given all the hand work. When it comes time to add faces I can still get recognition to work more quickly and without weirdness via two methods:
* Start a new Faces entry, with a slightly different name, for a person in one of the "oversized/corrupted" Face entries. Gather up enough faces manually to support reconition, then run recognition for the new entry. Once you have collected/gleened as many faces as one can, merge the entry into the existing, ovesized Face entry.
* and bring any new photos/events in via iPhoto Manager from a clean iPhoto database (see next). Faces come over from the clean database.
2) Develop a new recognition database. I have two physically different iPhoto databases (both Time Machined) that I keep on separate drives. I keep them synced via iPhoto Manager. I recently removed all the "faces" database files from the "shadow iPhoto database" and have begun rebuilding. I now use that as my master for adding/importing new photos and runnign Faces (though Photostream makes that a little trickier). When new events are the way I like, I copy over to the old "corrupt" database using iPhoto manager. Working nicely, but I'm now begining to realize the scope of the naming I did in the "corrupt" database - hundreds of hours to get back to where I am with corrupt database.
3) I'm also trying Picasa recognition on an "in-place" iPhoto database. Of course, there is no way to transfer back to iPhoto, but a fun experiment in recognition nonetheless. Picasa's recognition is similar in concept but works substantially differently than iPhoto. A few things I've noticed:
- Picasa does a kind of clustering of very simialr faces that makes it very fast in some recognition steps. instead of labeling one photo, you label clusters.
- Picasa operates regularly on the whole list of unknown photos, instead of focusing in on recognizing just one person at a time, so one can very quickly wade through confirmation of many people.
- Picasa seems less sensitive to one or two "wrong" persons in a long list of recognized faces vs. iPhoto. Even one wrong photo amonst hundreds appears to steer the iPhoto reconition to pick up many of the wrong person for the suggestion list, while Picasa appears more immune (I would love a utility to weed out a few offending, wrong faces in an already recognized database).
- At the same time, iPhoto appears to go to greater depth in finding all images of a select person when it concentrates on that person.
- Ultimately, both recognizers seem to suffer from "fatigue" and randomness - they get to a poitn where they can recognize now more, until some new random event comes along that frees up or catalyzes additional recognition.
More later

No face recognition in iPhoto on my iPad 2

Hello, thank you for opening this thread.
Today I uploaded the photo for the first time on to my iPad 2. When I open the photos, there are Photos, Albums, Events, Places, but there is no "Faces."
I searched the discussion board but I could not find an answer how to let iPhoto do the face recognition.
Could someone please help me?
Thank you!!

Faces will only show as an option in the Photos app on the iPad if you've synced photos from your Mac which have 'faces' associated with them (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4236 : 'iPhoto ’09, you can also add your Faces, Places, and Events to your device.', and the manual 'Events and Faces must first be configured in iPhoto or Aperture on a Mac, then synced to iPad') - i.e. it must be associated with photos prior to syncing them to the iPad.
If you've synced photos with Faces to the iPad and they aren't showing, then try closing the Photos app completely : from the home screen (i.e. not with Photos 'open' on-screen) double-click the home button to bring up the taskbar, then press and hold any of the apps on the taskbar for a couple of seconds or so until they start shaking, then press the '-' in the top left of the Photos app to close it, and touch any part of the screen above the taskbar so as to stop the shaking and close the taskbar.
If that doesn't work then you could try a reset : press and hold both the sleep and home buttons for about 10 to 15 seconds (ignore the red slider), after which the Apple logo should appear - you won't lose any content, it's the iPad equivalent of a reboot.

Illustrator slows down rapidly over time

Hey,
since the CC version of Illustrator, the program loses performance quicker than ever over time.
I have the newest graphics drivers on my ATI and 16GB RAM, i7.
When i work with symbols, text styles and everything else you need for UI design, I need to restart the program quite often to keep working. Sometimes even clicking on things can take up to 3 seconds to be rendered on screen.
Why is the newest version of Illustrator slower than the pre-Mercury driven versions?

Aloof,
Just to make sure (relevance depending on the previous version), are all the faces of the Verdana and Tahoma fonts installed and enabled/activated through the OS (not font mangement) as TTF (not OTF)?

IPhoto 09 face recognition

I would like to know if the iPhoto 09 face recognition feature is ON by default and can't be switched off even if we feel we don't need it.
The reason I ask is that, after a year of Leopard, I am really exasperated at this Spotlight regularly monopolizing 95% of processor time, uncontrollably trying to index the whole Universe, just in case I might want to search the contents of files, a feature that is ON by default and can't be switched off even if we feel we don't need such an overkill process.
Same with Time Machine, that starts archiving everytime an external drive is plugged in, unless we rush to the Time Machine System Preferences and navigate to the Confidential tab to kill the already running indiscretion.
I just hope that iPhoto 09 didn't join this recent un-Apple philosophy that uncontrollably overworks processors and noisy fans, temporarily slowing the fastest computer in the World to the speed of my first Mac SE, just because it decides you're an idiot that might not know its own needs.
Sorry about that !
I just had to let it out ...
PP

iPhoto menu -> Provide iPhoto Feedback
If you find that Spotlight is “regularly monopolizing 95% of processor time“ then you have a problem with Spotlight. This is not how i works on nay of my machines. Perhaps you need to troubleshoot that.
I was able to turn off Time machine with no difficulty. Perhaps you need to read the help.
The faces feature use a one time scan of the iPhoto Library when you first launch 09. Thereafter it does nothing at all unless you use it.
Regards
TD

Strange UI bug when using People view/face recognition

I've started playing with the face recognition in LR6/CC and have encountered an odd display bug when viewing the groups of 'named people':
The thumbnail for each named person includes a count of how many images (or perhaps that should be faces) are attributed to their specific name. However, once the number of images for a person exceeds 100, LR only displays the first two digits in the thumbnail and drops off the third one, e.g. 254 is displayed as 25. If you hover over the thumbnail, the full count (e.g. 254) is displayed so long as the mouse cursor is kept on the thumbnail. Interestingly, once the number of images attributed to a named person exceeds 1000, it does the same thing, only it adds an extra digit (so 1400 becomes 140).
I'm running this on Win7.
Anyone else seeing this?
M

I guess I was primarily "testing the water" to see if the problem was specific to my configuration in some way, but you make a fair point John.
Here's my (possible) bug report: LIGHTROOM Facial recognition: thumbnails not displaying full number
M

How does Aperture Face recognition work

Just upgraded to Aperture 3 --- I'm a little baffled by the functionality of the face recognition. Aperture certainly found most (if not all) of the faces in my collection but I thought it was supposed to be able to actually do recognition (to some extent) so that when I associate a certain face with a name, it would automatically find the same face in other photos and mark them.
I am not seeing any evidence that this actually happens --- I just seem to keep getting fed faces along the bottom that I have to name manually, even if it's a very similar picture that was already seen.
What am I missing?

I've noticed that sometimes (seems like all the time, but I've only done a few imports) when I first import new photos it can take a long time before Aperture decides to search for similar faces.
I can tag a few pics of people in the "Faces View" and then double-click their photo to try to see suggested matches, but watching the "Activity Window" shows no searching for similar faces... I don't know what's stopping it, but it just doesn't seem to even bother searching for quite some time. It's not that it's still detecting faces in the photos (I've checked to see it's finished doing that) — there's nothing in the Activity Window and the CPU usage of Aperture is basically zero. Memory is not full, nothing else is using the CPU, it's just sitting there doing nothing...
And then randomly, suddenly, it seems to remember that it is meant to search for similar faces and does so...
Would be interested to see if others are having similar behaviour, where Aperture just doesn't even bother searching until some event, or some time after importing... Open up the Activity window in Aperture (from the Window menu), double-click on a face in the faces view and see if it starts searching for similar faces... if it's not even searching, then that might explain why you're not being given the ability to match faces. If it is searching, then I guess it's just not finding anything. Also note that you won't get any matches until the search finishes (it can take quite a while to search through the photos for similar faces; likely depends on (and is slowed down by) the number of faces for that person, the number of 'unknown faces', the total number of faces and/or people in your library)

Face Recognition Problem in PSE 12

I am having a problem with face recognition with PSE 12/Windows 8.1. It is a new install, at first all went well. I could enter names and they were immediately accepted. As faces repeated recognition was working and I could click the green arrow and it would accept or even click the red x and make another selection as it should be. Then I started having problems when it would come up with the correct face I would click the green arrow and instead of accepting the box would go to "Who is This" and it would take numerous attempts to get the program to accept the name. Next I started having problems just entering names, again instead of accepting it would loop me through the "Who is This" numerous times. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
We sincerely apologize for the problem that you have been facing while using a trackpad with Photoshop Elements 11 & 12 on Mac OSX 10.10 (Yosemite).
We have been actively working with Apple to resolve this problem as quickly as possible. We're hopeful this will get completely resolved in an upcoming update of Yosemite(MAC 10.10).
In the meanwhile, you have two options to work around this problem:
1. Option1: Use a mouse instead of the trackpad
2. Option2: Install a plug-in which should workaround the problem
Plug-in installation instructions:
1. Close Photoshop Elements
2. Download this zip file to a location you can easily find (e.g. your desktop)
3. Unzip the file, WhiteWindowWorkaround.plugin, and move it to the Plug-In folder:
• For Elements 12 – //Applications/Adobe Photoshop Elements 12/Support Files/Plug-Ins/
• For Elements 11 - //Applications/Adobe Photoshop Elements 11/Support Files/Plug-Ins/
You can verify the plug-in is installed by launching the Photoshop Elements Editor and choosing Help > System Info... Scroll to the bottom of the text in the dialog and look for the plug-in name "WhiteWindowWorkaround.plugin".
Note: This plugin is a temporary workaround and should be used until this issue is addressed in Mac OSX 10.10 (Yosemite). Please remove this plugin once the issue is officially resolved by Apple.
If you are using a stylus in conjunction with a trackpad, you might see issues with your trackpad. Workaround in this particular case is to use mouse instead of the trackpad.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
vaishali

Face recognition

Hi,
Is it possible to sort or select which of images of a person who will be the main image displayed in face recognition in Lightroom 6?
In Aperture and iPhoto you can choose which photo should be key photo.
..Jan

Hello @ram3,
Welcome to the HP Forums, I hope you enjoy your experience! To help you get the most out of the HP Forums I would like to direct your attention to the HP Forums Guide First Time Here? Learn How to Post and More.
I understand that you are looking to see if your notebook computer has face recognition software, and I would be happy to assist you in this matter!
According to the available drivers and software for your computer, there is no face recognition software supported for your system.
If you would like to learn more about face recognition software, I recommend taking a look at this resource: HP Face Recognition Software: Your Face is Your Password; as well as the commercial forums below, as this is a technology used in commercial products:
http://h30499.www3.hp.com/
I hope this helps!
Best Regards
MechPilot
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Duplicate Face recognition Boxes Possible Bug????

I am having a heck of a time with face recognition and assigning a name to a face and then putting another box around the same face, telling me its unnamed. The boxes vary the slightest bit in size, I cant "x" out of the unnamed box, so I have to close the named box, then use the present unnamed box and re-type the name of the person into it. This is extremely time consuming and if the name is already present, I am not sure why Aperture is putting another unnamed box around the same face which is some cases is exactly the same size and others is differs my .5mm. Is there a way to turn this 2nd unnamed box off or to ideally remove the unnamed boxes from all the photos that have multiple naming boxes? Thanks in advance!
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Maybe try rebuilding the database by holding down option-command when starting Aperture. I had some issues with duplicates in Faces and rebuilding the library worked wonders.

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