Firewire 800 hub??

Hello I've the new imac 27 led, with one fire wire 800 port. This port is connected with an external hard disk. Now I need another hard disk, and I like to connect with the fire wire 800 port. Do exists an 800 fire wire hub?

rkaufmann87 wrote:
there isn't any reason the drives can't be running 24/7.
except maybe a green reason: conserve energy, possible help saving our planet
Mine have for the past 3 years with no problems.
... while they are wasting precious energy if not in use ...
FW hubs tend to ... add IMHO added complexity.
how so ?
JGG

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Firewire 800 hub not working

After two years without incident, all my drives (5) stoped mounting on my 17" Macbook Pro (running Lion). They are connected though a hub -- NitroAV 8 port Firewire 800 hub. I have changed the cable -- no effect. I have tried connecting the drives individually to the port -- they all come up immediately. So I am concluding that it must be the hub itself. Right? But is it usual that such a hub just stops working? What can be wrong, and can it be repaired? Or is it better to just buy another (expensive) one? Thanks for any ideas! Norris

Hi Todd DeNoyer-
Tom offers excellent advice. The only way to narrow this down is one drive at a time.
Are you using a FW800 hub or do you only have one drive?
Some LaCie drives in particular have power supply bricks that can malfunction and give absolutely no clue-the light comes on and the drive spins up. When this happens, the drive with the bad brick will try and draw current from the bus and wreak all kinds of havoc.
Luck-
-DaddyPaycheck

Is there such a thing as a Firewire 800 Hub (like a USB hub)?

I'd like to have a firewire port "at the front" of a Mini, for easy attaching of a Camcorder-firewire line or other occasional-use Firewire devices. The one FW800 port at the back of the Mini has external hard-drive(s) attached.
Ideally, I'd like a hub that splits this FW800 into FW800 and FW400 jacks (2 of each)! But I've never seen such a hub, and am not getting clear answers from hardware vendors. USB hubs are easy to find, but Firewire?___
Message was edited by: F. Farmer

Google "Firewire hub 800" and several come up;
http://www.lindy.co.uk/3-port-firewire-800-repeater-hub/32911.html
Although I see that they all claim to be out of stock or on order. Hmmm, I see what you mean....

Any Firewire 800 Hub recommendations?

So I have been thrilled with my new iMac.
But of course the one limiting factor with the new iMac is the single FW800 port when having multiple FW drives. Daisy chaining of course works, but it also forces you to power up all drives in front of the drive you want in the chain.
On my eMac I had a Belkin FW (400) hub and it was great for having several drives attached to my system and only having to power up the one drive I actually wanted to use.
Anyway, has anyone tried any of the very few FW800 hubs available? And if so how does it perform?
So far I have only run across 2 or 3 models and all are very expensive.
Patrick

Kenichi Watanabe wrote:
If you still have that 400 hub and only 400 devices, you can connect it to the 800 port through an adapter (or a cable with the right connectors). If you have one newer 800 device and the rest are 400, connect the 800 device directly and connect the hub off the daisy-chain port. Then connect the other devices to the hub.
Ya there lies the problem, well more of an annoyance than a problem. I have a FW800 drive, so that is plugged in directly to the back of the iMac. I then can daisy chain other FW400 drives off the back of that drive. But it still requires that drive by turned on to get to anything I daisy chain off of it. That FW800 drive has a fan so it is kind of loud so I rather only have it on when I am specifically using the drive.
If the iMacs had TWO FW800 ports then I could plug the FW800 drive into one and my Belkin FW400 hub into the other and then all the FW400 drives into that. Then all drives could be independently powered and will be seen on the Mac.
Hopefully, that will be sufficient until some other third parties create 800 hubs and bring the price down a bit.
Ya, so far I have found two possible hubs but at $$$. One is a three-port FW800 hub for $50 which would give me my two FW800 ports as mentioned above. The other was a nice looking 6-port FW800 hub giving me 5 FW ports to plug drives into that could be powered up and mounted individually. However that one was $100!!!
For the three port one, it almost seems better to find a FW800 enclosure with three FW ports on it (typically two FW800 and one FW400) and don't put a drive into it and use it only as a hub (but have the option of popping in a drive). However I haven't run across one that is cheaper than the 3-port hub yet. But if I get a fanless one, then I can run a drive in it and use it as a mini-hub and not have to hear a fan running when using it mainly as a FW repeater and not actively using the drive in it.
The search continues!
Patrick

800 FIREWIRE PORT HUB

I need a hub that I can use to connect both my video camera & my external hard drive at the same time, so I can save my raw video directly to my
external hard drive from iMovie on my new 27" iMac. I have a cable that fits the 800 port for my Canon GL1 camcorder. Can someone suggest
a hub I can purchase that will accommodate two FireWire connectors and fit my computer port or/and do I need some adapter also?
I am still learning the lingo so I hope I asked this correctly.
Thank you for your help.

Asnowbird -
   Firewire 800 hubs/repeaters are fairly rare. My recent searching found 4 sources (alphabetically):
Kramer Tools - has models with 2, 3, 4, and 8 ports. http://www.KramerElectronics.com.
NitroAV - has an 8 port hub/repeater.   http://www.NitroAV.com
Sonnet - Has an adapter (Ying Yang) that alllows both FW 400 & FW 800 to be pluged into new Macs with FW 800 (3 ports)   http://www.sonnettech.com
Unibrain - Has 3, 4 and 5 port models, with and without AC power. http://www.unibrain.com
Other sites for retail purchase are http://www.EverythingHerePlus.com, http://www.NetworkTechinc.com/hub-1394.html, and http://Synchrotech.com
I hope this helps. Randy

Mixing FireWire 400 with FireWire 800

How do I connect FireWire 400 Peripherals and FireWire 800 Peripherals to the single FireWire 800 port and preserve the FireWire 800 speed to the computer for the Firewire 800 Peripherals? (Obviously, the 400 speed peripherals cona only send and receive at 400 speed.)
My guess is that connecting the FireWire 800 peripherals to the computer and adding the 400 peripherals at the end of the 800 daisy chain may work. However, recalling the mixing things in other contexts (USB 1.x vs. 2.x and WiFi 802.11g vs. 802.11n) drags every device down to the slowest speed. Will that happen on a FireWire 800 and 400 daisy chain?
Anyone know of a FireWire 800 hub?

jnsail wrote:
How do I connect FireWire 400 Peripherals and FireWire 800 Peripherals to the single FireWire 800 port and preserve the FireWire 800 speed to the computer for the Firewire 800 Peripherals?
You cannot. If devices of different speeds are daisy-chained, the speed of the entire chain will drop to the speed of the slowest device, in this case FW400. A hub won't help.
The workaround is to get an ExpressCard FireWire adapter, and connect one set of devices to that, and the other set to the MBP's FW800 port.

OSX 10.7.5 Finder unresponsive when using firewire 800 devices

My system was running well until recently when my finder in OSX 10.7.5 has beccome intermittently unresponsive. Many apps, especially Mail are not very responsive either.
I have multiple external hard drives (both 400 and 800) hooked into a Nitro AV firewire 800 hub repeater. When I pull the firewire 800 cable from the port on my Intel iMac, the system and finder seem to work properly. When using a single device plugged into the iMac's FW 800 port, the system and finder also appear to run fine.
Other symptoms include drive icons not ejecting and freezing on the desktop, system crashing often, very slow startup, apps running slowly at times and becoming unresponsive during use, slow opening of folders and slow launching of apps.
If anyone has had similar problems or has any experience with these issues, I would be grateful for your help.
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I read another thread about the same problem and it is checked under Finder>Preferences. All boxes except Macbook Pro are checked.

Help with firewire 800 external daisy chaining

hi
help please,really appreciate it /
editing with final cut pro
i am on a big job which keeps growing so far we have 4 lacie terrabyte hard drives all daisy chained and we are constantly adding another to transfer files,
i am now having reliability problems ,where the computer wont see them,some work others dont,
i go through array of disconnecting rearanging them ,off/on etc, eventually i get them working, but its very stressful
can anyone suggest the way i should do it or point me in the right direction,
should i get some firewire 800 hub ? or is there a limit to how many you can use?
(the boss says a server will be coming)
cheers
simon

Hi startchopin-
As DaddyPaycheck said, a hub is the best way to go. Not only are there reliability problems, as you're experiencing, daisy chaining hard drives also increases the chance of data recording/directing errors.
A good hub, (only three ports, seems to be the max) but reliable, is the Belkin, available from the Mac specialists at OWC:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/BELKIN/F5U624APL/
You can find comparison pricing here:
http://shopper.cnet.com/hubs/belkin-hub-3-ports/4014-3335_9-30823689.html?tag=pd tl-list
Might I also suggest, that since you are running the drives hard, with lots of data transfer, etc., preventive maintenance with a solid drive utility, such as Disk Warrior, would help to decrease stress levels, and maintain drive and data integrity:
http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/
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Firewire 800 to 400 Hub?

This new Mac (which I love) has Firewire 800. My hard drives and scanner has Firewire 400 connections. I bought a cable that connects the 800 port into my 400 port in the hard drive but since the Mac has only 1 800 port I am unable to connect my scanner. Are there Firewire hubs that can plug my other peripherals? There were none at the Apple store and I could not find any on-line. Please advise

You may be able to connect the scanner to the daisy-chain port on the hard drive, if it has one. Or, if the scanner has a daisy-chain port, connect it first and connect the hard drive second.
If your FireWire devices are 400, there are FireWire 400 hubs on the market. Connect the hub to the Mac using that 800 to 400 cable you already have. Connect the FireWire 400 devices to the hub. Be sure to get a hub that has its own power supply. Here's one hub
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-FireWire-6-Port-Hub-F5U526-APL/dp/B0006BHCEK/ref=sr11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259634281&sr=8-1

Hub Firewire 800/400

I was surprised to find out that my new Imac (3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) has only one Firewire port (FW 800). I have one Lacie external HD which has FW 800 and 400 through which I can chain other external FW 400 HD. My problem is that I can't chain my camera or a DV recorder, neither my external DVD burner. What do you think I could do : maybe buy a Firewire Hub, but does a FW 800+400 Hub exist ?
My DVD burner is FW 400 6pin/6pin
My DV recorder is FW 400 6pin/6pin
Thanks for answering

FireWire 800 hubs are currently expensive. If that FireWire 800 drive has a FireWire 400 daisy-chain port, perhaps you can get a less expensive FireWire 400 hub and connect it to that daisy-chain port. That would give the FireWire 800 device the benefit of a direct connection, and since your other FireWire devices are currently 400, you can connect them to that hub with no 9-pin to 6-pin adapter needed.
Just an idea... Here's an example of a FireWire 400 hub
[Belkin FireWire 6-Port Hub|http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-FireWire-6-Port-Hub-F5U526-APL/dp/B0006BHCEK/r ef=sr11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244117766&sr=8-1]
Be sure to get one that is self-powered (has its own power adapter).

Firewire Hubs For Use With A New Firewire 800 External Drive

I currently have 3 HD daisy chained to one of my Firewire ports. I have an older Firewire iPOD with a dock that is attached to the other Firewire Port.
I need more storage capacity so I am planning to get 1 Tetra La Cie - this model. I have had excellent experiences with LaCie.
(LaCie 301442U d2 Quadra Hard Disk 1TB eSATA/FireWire800/FireWire400/USB 2.0 External Hard Drive (Aluminum).
I would be using the new HD as a Time Machine Device and possibly as backup for my music library which is currently on one of the external HD's and backed up to a second HD.
I don't have available ports.
Are there Firewire Ports which would be functional?
Should I be considering some other sort of configuration?
This is an iMAC 24" bought in October 2006
Thanks

My music library is housed on an external hard drive so Time Machine can't be used since it requires an operating system on the source files...
That's not true. You can back up files and folders on an external drive using Time Machine, as long as they are not on the same volume as the Time Machine archive. You just go to System Preferences +Time Machine+ pane. Click on the Options button. All external drives are on the +Do not back up+ list by default. Remove the external drive (with your iTunes files) from this list of things excluded from backup.
If don't want to include everything on that external drive, put the folders you do not want backed up on the +Do not back up+ list. What I've done for my external FireWire drive (which is my primary data storage volume since my internal is only 160GB) is create two main folders. They are called Documents and +Documents (not backed up)+. They serve as an extension of the user account folder on the internal drive. Files and folders I want backed up go into Documents. Files and folders that are non-critical go into +Documents (not backed up)+. So then, the external drive volume gets removed from the +Do not back up+ list, so that Time Machine backs it up. But I put the +Documents (not backed up)+ folder back on the +Do not back up+ list so that only the Documents folder gets backed up.
If you do daisy chain off the FireWire 800 port, be sure to put the 800 drive first on the chain. Putting the 400 drive before the 800 drive will reduce the speed to the 800 drive to 400 speed.
perhaps the beach ball I often get when working with iTunes is a product of the speed of the data being accessed on the external hard drive.
My +iTunes Music+ folder is on an FireWire 400 external drive. I do not notice any issues with iTunes accessing the files. That drive is attached directly to the iMac's port with no daisy-chaining behind it. If the free space gets low, the files and remaining free space will get more fragmented, and that can also cause such issues.

Two Qs: Help to partition 800 FireWire, &Any FireWire 800 Router/Hub users?

Needed more hard drive, so I added a 2TB-FireWire 800 drive to system. First thing on it is time machine backup. Would like to reconfigure it for the backup along with freeing up space on the main internal drive by moving files/applications, etc onto the external drive if possible. Any guidance would be appreciated!

A couple of thoughts. Most folks find less issues if the apps stay with the OS on the same drive, but you can easily move your Home folder to another drive. However, it is not a good idea to keep your home folder and a Time Machine backup on the same drive. If the drive fails you loose your data and its backup in one fell swoop.
Here is a detailed version of moving the home folder that I created in the past for this situation;
1. Go to Macintosh HD/Users/shortname/. Shortname is your Home folder and will have a "house" icon. Copy this folder to the new HDD by drag & drop. When dragging & dropping from one drive to another the originals are not moved, merely copied to the new location. At this point the folder will not have the "house" icon, because it is not yet recognized by Mac OS X as the active Home folder.
2. Go to System Preferences/Accounts. Click the padlock in the lower left and enter your password to unlock the Accounts pane. Control click on your account's name in the left-side column to reveal an Advanced Options in the contextual menu. Click Advanced Options.
3. You will only be concerned with the Home Directory option. This is the path that Mac OS X uses to locate your home folder when you login. It will show the path as /Users/shortname.
Click the Choose button and browse to the Home folder that you copied to the new HDD in Step 1. After you select the new home folder the Home Directory path should change to something similar to /Volumes/shortname.
4. Click OK on the Advance Options dropdown sheet to accept the change. Quit System Preferences. Restart the computer and login as normal.
5. To confirm that the copied home folder on the new HDD is now the active Home folder, using a Finder window browse to the folder on the new HDD and confirm that it now sports the house icon.
6. You have successfully moved your Home folder to the new HDD, so the original Home folder in Machintosh HD/Users/shortname/, including all of its contents can be safely deleted.
Dah•veed

How do I use my iMac's Firewire 800 port to connect to my external hardrive using a USB Micro-B input?

I have a late 2009 iMac with Firewire 800 input on the back. I have a Western Digital Passport external hard drive with USB Micro-B input that I would like to connect to the Firewire (4 USB inputs aren't nearly enough on the iMac). I can't find an adapter to do this. Can someone please help?? As an alternative, is there an adapter that will convert the Firewire 800 to standard USB2.0?

USB and FireWire work in very different ways, so there is no adapter.
Instead, you should just get a USB 2.0 hub, like this one
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/USB2HB7PRO/
There are many choices, but be sure to get one that is powered (it comes with its own power supply). Cheaper hubs rely on the computer's USB port for power.

What do I need to support my FireWire 800 gear on a new iMac

I need to replace my antique mac pro 1.1
I am now retired and my needs tend more towards games than av creation so the new Mac Pro is not only overkill but the dual video I here is not optimized for games in any case.
The problem is all of my existing FireWire 800 gear and no FireWire ports on the new iMac designs
I guess I need to buy an external thunderbolt case for the 4 2 terabyte drives in the old pro do any of the external T-bolt cases offer good FireWire 800 support (full speed support) for all of my old gear?
Are there other ways to support these devices than an external t-bolt case for sata drives?
And for a game playing iMac is a fusion drive or a large solid state drive best choice bearing in mind I will have about 10 terabytes of FireWire and t-bolt external storage ( I was thinking of making the drives in the required t-bolt external case a raid array for best performance)
So what external t-bolt drive case should I buy and if it does not support a set of FireWire 800 ports what external t-bolt gadget for that support should I buy?
Thanks

Windshadow99 wrote:
I looked at those but would it not be far better to have a gadget that plugged into a t-bolt port and then had a bunch of FireWire 800 ports on it? There must be lots of folks that like me invested in FW800 gear with their older computers and need something like this.
Perhaps, though as with anything it depends on your needs. I don't know of any such device, though. All the Thunderbolt docks I've seen that have Firewire at all have only a single port. You could use a TBolt to FW adapter with Thunderbolt ports in a dock, though. A Firewire hub isn't a lot of good other than providing multiple connectors since all devices are on the same FW bus and hence not really much different from daisy-chaining. There's certainly no performance improvement and probably not much in the way of stability improvement either.
I was told a long time ago back in the mac 2fx sccsi days that daisy chaining things should be avoided and giving things their own pro was better does this advice sill hold good?
SCSI was very different (and usually wasn't a problem as long as it was terminated correctly). Daisy-chaining FW is different, though it very much depends on the devices and the sort of throughput you need. Daisy-chaining Thunderbolt should be no problem at all as long as the devices support it.
Regards.

Will a Firewire 800 hard drive work on my MacBook with Firewire 400?

Hi, I have a MacBook I bought in 2008. The FireWire specs say " Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec"
I am considering a new external hard drive (the Iomega MiniMax) and want to use Firewire for this one. The specs for the hard drive say: "The MiniMax includes 2 fast FireWire 800 interfaces, a USB 2.0 hub, plus a FireWire 400 to 800 cable."
Will this FireWire 400 to 800 cable allow me to plug my FireWire 400 laptop port to this FireWire 800 harddrive port? It sounds like it will but I wanted a sanity check before I order it.
Thanks.

Yes, that should work just fine.
Matt

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