FS7 audio Frequency Response 50Hz - 20KHz?

Hello guys, I'd like to point out an issue that I couldn't find on the forum regarding the audio frequency response.I've always worked with pro camcorders that recorded 20Hz to 20KHz, which is the standard frequency us humans can hear. So I was surprised when I saw in the FS7 manual that the audio Frequency Response is 50Hz to 20KHz. Is this a typo? Or is the camera actually limited to 50Hz for the lower freqencies?I would assume that the internal mic would be limited to that range, yes, but not the internal recording of the sound? Why limit the camera to 50Hz? Any light on the subject would be appreciated. Thanks!

The tests I posted are for the mic inputs, not line inputs. I did test both, but since I often run & gun and cannot support all the extra gear to make the FS7 mic inputs on a par with Sony's EX3 mic inputs, I'm requesting that the high pass filter added with firmware 2.0 be removed in futre updates. We have the wind filter already. No additional filter is needed. While Genelec monitors are pretty good, they're not noted for deep bass response. Most studios use the ubiquitous NS10, which are only good to 80hz, which is why few people notic the deficiency. The custom built system in my screening room has a -3dB point of 7hz. I noticed that even piano sounds thin on this camera. that doesn't surprise me, since the rolloff starts at 200hz. All I'm asking for is the same quality I'm used to with my EX3's mic inputs. Only 0.5dB down @ 20hz and no thinning of the midrange. When I do large budget orchestra shoots (rare) I use 24/96 sampling, 8 channels and large diaphragm studio condensers. My recordings earned critical praise from Peter Aczel at The Audio Critic. I was a sound engineer for 4 decades before I got my first digital camera. In addition to that, I was consulted as an independent expert on infrasonics for chapter 17 of Ethan Winer's THE AUDIO EXPERT, published by Focal Press. I was responsible for the information on subwoofers and how they operate. Acoustic and speaker design share a long history with me, and my 'day job' is amplifier design, modification and repair. I'm too intimately aware of what's going on in the signal path of an audio system and when modern digital systems deviate intentionally from DAT-quality, it really bothers me. I made a big deal about this in 2007 with the Sony HVR-V1U, and Sony must have listened, because they got it right with the EX1 and EX3 cameras. But sadly, they've reverted to these games with the FS7, though not as badly as 2007.

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I'm comparing another unit that I have now and know nothing, I mean nothing, about Hz frequency stuff.
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Having been an audiophile for decades I can tell you specs lie. Cheap audio equipment often has specs that ON PAPER best units costing literally 100 times as much. It's best to read trusted sources for reviews and use your own ears. I learned about the "arms race" in specsmanship back in the 70's when I was in and out of high end audio salons for years, replacing components in my home system. I finally got what I really like when I got, among other things, a Mark Levinson amp. NOTHING beats listening and since our ears have short term memory, the best way to know which of several pieces of equipment are best for you is to do a carefully controlled A/B test. A/B tests CAN be biased, but done fairly (no salesman shenigans) they are the best way to know which item to buy (presuming your pocketbook matches the quality of your hearing)
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Frequency Response VS FFT for measring frequency response of a audio ouput signal.

We have purchased the Sound and Vibration Toolkit and I have some questions.
From the frequency response example I looked at you measure the input then the ouput and the Vi gives you the difference.
I want to measure the audio frequency response a radio.
So all I have is the output I dont have the audio input to use as a reference.
How would I measure frequency response with the frequency rasponse VI with only the output audio signal?
I was also looking at the FFT example to measure the audio signal frequency response.
But from what I can tell so far this only does 1 channel I want to do both channles at the same time.
Is there a way to do FFT on 2 channels at once and have them output on the same graph?
Thanks for any help you can provide.

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MacBook core duo Sept. 2006 - the audio is a mystery. Any analogue out has bass boost with bass distortion. With digital out, by USB or Airport Express Airtunes, the frequency response is normal. Somewhere, Apple put in an analogue bass boost.. why?!

Since new, my Macbook core duo has sent all audio to all analogue outputs with frequency distortion. Some physical hardware or firmware in the analogue section adds a bass boost to the frequency response of the audio.... And, this boost adds bass frequency distortion to most, if not all, of the audio analogue output.
This happens for all audio sources, players, iTunes, videos, streaming audio/video, movies... any sound source available to the Macbook. No-one with whom I have talked about this problem, has ever heard of it. Not elegant ideas for reducing it are to use equalisers on players and iTunes. iTunes even has a preprogrammed "bass reduce" on its equaliser, as if it knows already that this inherent bass boost "feature" has been built into the Macbook, and cannot be defeated by the user.
The digital audio is of sufficiently high quality to play well on a very good to excellent sound-system; so, it's a shame someone has mucked around with the frequency response of the analogue conversion, by designing the frequency distortion right into the computer. This motherboard, (which includes the sound-section), has been replaced, along with the speakers, and everything sounds exactly the same as it was before.
To receive a flat frequency response and no frequency distortion, I listen on one receiver using Airtunes, (it doesn't matter whether or not the analogue or digital output jack is wired analogue or connected via optical cable.... the freq. response is flat); and I listen on a high-end stereo system using an USB output port to an A/D converter, passing the analogue result using long patch-cords connected to the "line-in" jacks of the stereo. The bummer is that most of my audio sources are not derived from iTunes... hence, I cannot use Airtunes with Airport express for them. I've tried using "Airfoil" without luck. The sound becomes distorted with sibilance and other frequency anomalies.
Question: has anyone else discovered this sound imperfection in any Mac product? And, does anyone know if Apple is aware of it? Finally, has anyone found an Apple fix for the problem; or, at least, come up with better solutions than I have?
Thanks heaps for any impute and answers you may supply!! junadowns

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When it comes to performance, you won't gain much by compiling linux by yourself! Just use the linux package from [core] or if you want a bit more performance, install the ck-kernel from
[repo-ck]
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(this has to go to the bottom of /etc/pacman.conf)
(use that one which is best for your cpu (in your case this might be the package linux-ck-corex).
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Edit: I will first try linux-lqx...
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Buil-in microphone frequency response graph

I'm curious as to where I can find a frequency response graph for the built-in mic in the 15" MBP 2.8. I know it's a silly thing to want, but... Sometimes I don't have the time or resources to set-up an external mic with a flat frequency response, and would just like to use the built-in mic very quickly to "EQ" or "ring out" rooms. I can't find the info on the built-in mic anywhere. Any suggestions?

Have you ever used the microphone? Have you ever actually used a laptop to do this?
I don't have a graph, but from years of working with audio I can tell you that it doesn't have the frequency response, sensitivity and directionality to do what you want.
A nice external mic and portable interface like the iMac would not only do a better job but would look a lot more professional than running around trying to point the cheap microphone of a laptop in the right direction.

Flat Frequency Response

I probably shouldn't have to be asking this question since I charge people for my obviously amateurish recording abilities but it's one that I've never had explained to me and one I need to know the answer to......
Let me set the question up this way:
When you get in the car and pop in a professionly produced cd, most people crank the treble control up to 6-10 (on a scale of 10) and the bass up to (4-10) depending on the factory speakers and type of material and whether or not they care what their music sounds like. When you get home and you're listening to the much higher end home stereo still listening to that professionaly produced album, you still reach for those treble and bass knobs and crank them up several notches or if you have a graphic eq you tweak out a smiley face .
There's so much emphasis in the recording world about getting a flat frequency response out of your room with absorbers and bass traps and spreading around the reflections with deflectors, etc...etc..etc..., that we spend thousands of dollars on this stuff and some measuring software to make sure that it's flat. Then we use that flat response to produce music that sounds great and expect that to translate to those cd players and home stereo systems.
(I'll additonally preface my question by saying that I've had no problems getting my music to translate from my home studio to any other playback system, but I'm a little confused about what's going on.)
Now finally my question(s), when we reach for those treble and bass knobs on our car and home playback systems, are we really just trying to make up for the lack of bass and top end in those systems so that we too can achieve a flat frequency response and make the music sound good on whatever system? or
Do we as listeners actually prefer the smiley face frequency response in music and are we taking a cd that itself has a flat frequncy response and making a smiley face out of it so that it sounds good to our ears? (Please don't give me a material/genre answer.)
The reason I ask is because I have to put a graphic eq on my Truth 2031A monitors to make the professional stuff sound good through them, and then I in turn mix my music to sound the same for whatever material/genre of course. (I'm not really interested in any monitor bashers or I would've asked this over at Gearslutz.)
So again rephrased...Do the masses think music sounds good when it has a flat frequency response or the smiley face and if it's the lattter of those, how are we supposed to achieve that when our home studio setup is producing a flat frequency response, do we tune our monitors with eqs like me?
Additonaly I understand that when were talking about flat frequency responses in rooms we're talking about throwing sine waves through a system and ranging their frequencies, measuring them out so that we can detect any over emphasis/deficiencies in the room so maybe this question is a little more towards monitor tuning.

If you look up Fletcher and Munson in Google, you might begin to get a bit of the start of an idea of why this isn't quite as straightforward as it seems.... and I'm not sure that I can give you a complete answer either, although I can give you a few connected but slightly random things to ponder, wearing my acoustician's hat:
The fundamental problem is that when things are quieter (and less distorted, incidentally) our ears get more sensitive to the midrange frequencies, and if we listen to music that way, it invariably sounds as though the bass and treble are out of balance. In cars it's slightly different though; the frequency response of whatever's in there generally tends to be anything but flat - and often over-emphasises the midrange anyway. Treble tends to get absorbed very easily in upholstered cars, and since most car speakers don't have anything like acceptable tweeters in as a rule, it's not surprising that people want to increase the treble. As for the bass - well I'm always turning that down personally, but I know what you mean in principle!
If by a 'commercial' CD you mean one where the vocal is prominent, then yes I can easily imagine why you might as a matter of course want to increase the response at the extremes - it makes sense if you think about it. The mid-range vocal is prominent and probably compressed, so its average level is louder than the backing - this helps it to stand out. But also it distorts the overall time-based response - the backing may well be balanced so it's okay on its own, but that doesn't always translate if you have the wrong vocal settings applied, or at a minimum, applied unsympathetically. And some voices make this significantly worse; for instance Sealion Dying (AKA Celine Dion) makes the most appalling racket in the midrange, and you'd definitely need less of that!
So really I'd say that it's not a Bass/Treble issue, but a midrange one. If you look at commercial CDs in general, you tend to find that the energy distribution is pretty even over the whole audio band, which implies that it falls off at 6dB/octave if you look at it in Audition (this is an energy/Hz thing), but in reality most CDs these days are mixed a little brighter than that - more like a -3dB/octave slope down from about 1kHz, and that's partly to compensate for a lot of things - some of which are cars... You do have to watch out for the distortion issue though - most people don't realise, but you are able to tolerate rather higher levels of non-distorted sound than anything with significant distortion levels in it, and if that distortion is in the midrange, then you'll want it quieter anyway. So decent, over-rated under-run PA systems always sound cleaner and louder but you should beware - they can damage your ears just as much, if not more.
Do car interiors themselves increase the chances of midrange boost occurring? I think it's a pretty safe bet that they do, as a rule, simply because of the size of them, and the treble problem I already mentioned. And if you are trying to compensate for too much midrange, then the rest follows. Most domestic replay systems these days seem to be midrange heavy to me as well - I haven't heard anything cheap recently that had anything like a flattish response - and they really don't suit the rooms they are in either.
If you want to listen to material as it really should be, then you need to experience it live first, I'd say, and then do a direct comparison with what you can hear in your monitors. I'm fortunate - I can do this quite regularly with a variety of material. Do I tend to leave things as flat as they are recorded? Well, it depends on what it is. If it's in any way classical, then sometimes I look carefully at the bass balance, but generally I leave the rest alone. Everything else these days I just get to sound good - and that can mean all sorts of tweaks, depending on all sorts of things. More and more though, I've come to the conclusion that too much midrange isn't necessarily a good thing - but that's mainly because of the general lack of good reproduction equipment around these days.
As for monitors and flatness - well that's not really an issue for most people, compared to getting their listening environment correct. If you have a pair of cheap monitors in a good room, the chances are that the results will sound better than an expensive pair in an uncorrected room - despite what all the monitor freaks on gearslutz might say. These days, even the cheaper ones can sound quite respectable. But flatness isn't an issue with monitors really - a decent impulse response, and low distortion are far more important. Chances are that if a manufacturer has got this right, the monitor is going to be suitably 'revealing' anyway - which is what a monitor is supposed to do.
The one thing you do not do though, is EQ the feed to your monitors - that went out of fashion almost as soon as it came in - fortunately. You fix the room so that it's more truthful. If you EQ the monitor feed it will inevitably only sound good in one place in the room, and that's no use to man nor beast. The only decent things that proper room correction systems can do is equalise the immediate time response to take account of what's actually between the monitors and you - which if done properly can improve stereo imaging no end.
So answers? Well not really. But at least I've explained a few (but not all) of the issues.

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What is the frequency response for recording with garage band internally, and externally with the latest onboard Macbook pro sound card?

So the frequency Response of a file produced by Garage Band is only limited by the Audio interface you’re using with the computer?
According to the Mac OS help section the following is true:
Setting the audio resolution
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Recording at higher audio resolution increases the size of your projects. Exporting at higher audio resolution increases the size of the exported file.
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Loudspeaker Frequency Response

Hi all! I'm making a program to measure the frequency response of a loudspeaker. I'll be using a sweep to test the loudspeaker.
Particularly i would like the program to be like this, which is real time. How can i implement this in LabVIEW. This is the screenshot
Details about the plot.
First graph:
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You need to monitor the signal at the loudspeaker terminals to account for any non-linearity's in the signal generator and amplifier.
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Your sound level plot is in dB (A). My understanding of the A weighting is so that the human perceived loudness is constant across the audio frequency range. If you are concerned about loudspeaker performance, is it worth discarding the complexity of this additional frequency response curve?
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Curious - frequency response of MacBook sound?

Hi - not a complaint - I'm just curious - I kinda like the way my MacBook deals with audio using the internal speakers - it seems to do a good job of getting the point across with limited resources.
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Anyone know if the Recon 3D will process sounds outside of human hearing range (20Hz to 20KHz)? Looking to determine if I need a new sound card as I want to be able to work with the range of 1Hz - >96KHz. Tried to find this info in the product specs and on the support pages, but, well, yeah...

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Where can I find the amplitude and phase frequency response when the AC coupling is set on the 4472

My friends,
I need to know the amplitude atenuation but most important, the phase distortion introduced on the low frequency components of the signals when the AC coupling is setted (i.e. when the high pass filter is connected) on the 4472 and 4472B DAQBoard.
I can construct the amplitude frequency response by generating and aquiring a sine waveform of a knew amplitude. But I cannot construct the phase distortion introduced by the circuitry.
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Frequency response requirements for headphones with CMSS on XFi ???

Hi,
I would like to know if someone could tell me what kind of heaphones are suitable for the CMSS mode with the XFi.
I mean between : flat response/free-field correction/diffuse-field correction.
Applying HRTF filtering should mean that headphones with flat response is the best option ( same configuration as binaural recordings).
But I have a big doubt that Creative team expects costumers to possess such a pair of headphones, as it is rather for scientific uses (psychoacoustics, audiology etc...).
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To simplify, if we listen binaural sounds with classical headphones the effect of outer pinna is reproduced twice.
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This post might seem a detail but the issue can be very important for the accurate localisation and the coloration? of 3D sounds with headphones.
Thank you, and please forgive my english!

The only possibility that I can think of is that 2/2. mode is NOT as simple as headphone mode with crosstalk cancelation. Perhaps the HRTF only kicks in for sound sources outside of the arc directly in front of the listener. If that were the case, you wouldn't percei've any distortion for sound sources in front of you.
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You really should not have to do this but if that helps then you might think about doing this in your startup.ms file you could use SBA or load the file then you could delete the superblock and begin working.
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FS7 audio Frequency Response 50Hz - 20KHz?

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