Help for blind users

Hello fellow music lovers!
Can you imagine what use a blind person might have for a computer?
RIGHT! Listening to music.
Apple has done a brilliant job with producing an audio and keyboard interface (not a "screen reader") for TIger. It's called VoiceOver and it's superb.
But, would you believe it? The application more blind users want to use than any other, iTunes, is not accessible to VoiceOver.
Please help! Contact Apple in any way you can think of, to ask them to make our favourite music program on our favourite platform accessible through VoiceOver!
Thanks in advance
Archie
iBook G4 12" 1.2 GHz, G4 Sawtooth 400 MHz, PowerBook G4 17" 1.67 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.4)

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