HELP: include another page in with JDeveloper and ADF

Hi all,
I am trying to make a layout page with JDeveloper and ADF. But I just can't make things work. I have the pre-coded header and footer html pages and want to include them in a jspx somehow. I tried panelPage too, but the rendering style is away from our pre-coded header and footer.
1. Use jsp:include.
header works fine but footer is rendered before the page content, even if the footer is placed after the page content. Is there a way to customize the position?
<f:facet name="footerFacet">
<f:subview id="footerView"
binding="#{backing_welcomePage.footerView}">
<jsp:include page="/footer.jspf"/>
</f:subview>
</f:facet>
2. Use frameBorderLayout.
I followed the doc and use the document tag. But the frame page is rendered but none of included pages are rendered. So I got a blank page.
<!-- frame page -->
<f:view>
<afh:html>
<afh:head title="my frame page">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"/>
</afh:head>
<afh:body>
<afh:frameBorderLayout height="100%" width="100%">
<f:facet name="center">
<afh:frame source="topPage.jspx" name="topPage3"/>
</f:facet>
<f:facet name="top">
<afh:frame source="topPage.jspx" height="200" name="topPage2"/>
</f:facet>
<f:facet name="bottom">
<afh:frame source="topPage.jspx" height="200" name="topPage1"/>
</f:facet>
</afh:frameBorderLayout>
</afh:body>
</afh:html>
</f:view>
<!-- top page -->
<f:view>
<af:document title="FrameBorderLayout Demo">
<af:form>
<af:panelGroup layout="vertical">
<f:facet name="separator">
<af:objectSeparator />
</f:facet>
<af:outputFormatted styleUsage="instruction" value="&lt;b>A frameBorderLayout&lt;/b>"/>
</af:panelGroup>
</af:form>
</af:document>
</f:view>

for #1 have you tried throwing a verbatim tag around your includes like:
<f:verbatim>
<jsp:directive.include file="/includes/footer.jsp"/>
</f:verbatim>
it's how we got around intermixing html and jsf

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