How to make a 7.1 mix into a mov file?

I want to make a .mov file with 7.1 audio.
I need to define the channels.
In Quicktime Pro it is quite easy to assign audio files to the channels, but there is no possibility to mix anything.
There is no export option for mov with video.
Could anybody give me an advice how to solve the problem?

If you open an audio file that has 7.1 audio (and has the channel labels set correctly in the file), you should be able to save that as an audio-only QuickTime .mov file with the channels labeled.
Unfortunately, you cann't _create_ such a file from scratch in Audition via the New File dialog. So, what I did was to create several template files in QuickTime pro, with various channel labels, and save those from QuickTime Pro as audio-only .mov files. I could then open those in Audition, paste the audio into the tracks that I wanted, and then export as a new file.
One of the troubling things about "7.1" is that there's multiple accepted definitions of what "7.1" really is (i.e. are there 5 across the front, or extra ones on the side?).

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