HT204032 Power NAP and Time Machine Backup

One of the features of Power Nap is to allow backup even when the notebook is in a sleep .
i notcied that even when Power Nap is enabled , i loose the backup process immediatly if PC goes to sleep. the condition happens when the backup is already working and after some time when not using the PC it goes to Sleep .
is there a solution for the same ?
Macbook Air Mid 2011 , with 1.6 Firmware updates

diddl14 wrote:
Same here. Doesn't seem to work as advertised? Neither does it continue a backup when going into a "power nap"
The info isn't clear, but TM has always cancelled a backup when going to sleep.
nor does it start a new backup during a "power nap".
It should, but only if the previous one was more than an hour earlier.

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the_whispering wrote:
So I decided to try a clean install.
I'd recommend against starting with the "nuclear" option.
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Combine fresh system install and Time Machine Backup

Hi all !
There´s a question that´s more generally Leopard and Snow Leopard related:
In trying to find causes of a system slowdown I decided to go for a complete fresh system install. BUT I also want to use my data saved in the time machine backup without spoiling the freshly created system folder.
I also want to update the system to the current OS version before restoring from BU.
Is there a way to keep the fresh system folder deriving from a fresh installation and just replace the rest of the data (that´s not present yet) with the time machine backup ?
I think the handy command "Restore System from Backup" from the OSX system installer wouldnt be a good idea. It would copy ALL the files from the backup, and would overwrite my fresh system folder, so that I´ll end up with the same old, probably faulty system.
Could the migration tool do the job ?
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habschi2 wrote:
In trying to find causes of a system slowdown I decided to go for a complete fresh system install. BUT I also want to use my data saved in the time machine >backup without spoiling the freshly created system folder.
You should be able to migrate, for example, just your data using TM. But, TM is a bit unpredictable. Why not make a bootable clone of your internal on an external. It would serve fail-safe purposes, migrations purposes, and data-backup purposes. At the end of your install, you could, as groups only, migrate your data, users, settings, and apps--using your discretion. I would migrate only my data and my settings.
Is there a way to keep the fresh system folder deriving from a fresh installation and just replace the rest of the data (that´s not present yet) with >the time machine backup ?
See above.
I think the handy command "Restore System from Backup" from the OSX system installer wouldnt be a good idea. It would copy ALL the files from the backup, and would overwrite my fresh system folder, so that I´ll end up with the same >old, probably faulty system.
Absolutely correct.
Could the migration tool do the job ?
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