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Hi,
I know the KDE upgrade issue is "flavor of the day" at the moment and I have read other threads on it; but so far have not found info which applies to my situation.
Note: I only use a FEW KDE apps like Krusader, Yakuake, Konsole, Kcalc and do NOT use KDE the Desktop Environment (and have no desire to do so.) In fact, I do not use any DE's, only Openbox and i3WM as Window Managers, preferring a minimalistic approach, IOW, "less is more".
Since a day or two (since the KDE 4.14 to 14.12 came out), I am facing the following when trying to do a full system upgrade:
% pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: caps: ignoring package upgrade (0.9.23-1 => 0.9.24-1)
warning: cups: ignoring package upgrade (1.7.5-1 => 2.0.1-1)
:: Replace kdebase-katepart with extra/katepart4? [Y/n] y
:: Replace kdebase-konsole with extra/konsole? [Y/n] y
:: Replace kdegraphics-gwenview with extra/gwenview? [Y/n] y
warning: libcups: ignoring package upgrade (1.7.5-1 => 2.0.1-1)
warning: opera: ignoring package upgrade (12.16.1860-2 => 26.0.1656.60-1)
resolving dependencies...
:: There are 2 providers available for phonon-qt5-backend:
:: Repository extra
1) phonon-qt5-gstreamer 2) phonon-qt5-vlc
Enter a number (default=1): 2
looking for conflicting packages...
:: kactivities-frameworks and kactivities4 are in conflict. Remove kactivities4? [y/N] y
Packages (89) attica-qt5-5.6.0-1 geoclue-0.12.99-2 gwenview-14.12.1-2 kactivities-frameworks-5.6.0-1 kactivities4-4.13.3-1 [removal] karchive-5.6.0-1 katepart4-4.14.3-2 kauth-5.6.0-1 kbookmarks-5.6.0-1 kcmutils-5.6.0-1
kcodecs-5.6.0-1 kcompletion-5.6.0-1 kconfig-5.6.0-1 kconfigwidgets-5.6.0-1 kcoreaddons-5.6.0-1 kcrash-5.6.0-1 kdbusaddons-5.6.0-1 kdebase-katepart-4.14.3-1 [removal] kdebase-konsole-4.14.3-1 [removal]
kdebase-lib-14.12.1-2 kdebase-runtime-14.12.1-1 kdeclarative-5.6.0-1 kded-5.6.0-1 kdegraphics-gwenview-4.14.3-1 [removal] kdegraphics-kolourpaint-14.12.1-1 kdegraphics-ksnapshot-14.12.1-1
kdegraphics-mobipocket-14.12.1-1 kdelibs-4.14.4-1 kdelibs4support-5.6.0-1 kdenetwork-filesharing-14.12.1-1 kdepimlibs-4.14.4-1 kdesdk-kompare-14.12.1-1 kdesignerplugin-5.6.0-1 kdeutils-ark-14.12.1-1
kdeutils-filelight-14.12.1-1 kdeutils-kcalc-14.12.1-1 kdeutils-kcharselect-14.12.1-1 kdewebkit-5.6.0-1 kemoticons-5.6.0-1 kglobalaccel-5.6.0-1 kguiaddons-5.6.0-1 ki18n-5.6.0-1 kiconthemes-5.6.0-1 kinit-5.6.0-1
kio-5.6.0-1 kitemmodels-5.6.0-1 kitemviews-5.6.0-1 kjobwidgets-5.6.0-1 knotifications-5.6.0-1 knotifyconfig-5.6.0-1 konsole-14.12.1-1 konsolepart4-4.14.3-4 kparts-5.6.0-1 kplotting-5.6.0-1 kpty-5.6.0-1
kservice-5.6.0-1 ktextwidgets-5.6.0-1 kunitconversion-5.6.0-1 kwallet-5.6.0-1 kwidgetsaddons-5.6.0-1 kwindowsystem-5.6.0-1 kxmlgui-5.6.0-1 lib32-mesa-10.4.3-1 lib32-mesa-libgl-10.4.3-1
libdbusmenu-qt5-0.9.3+14.10.20140619-1 libkdcraw-14.12.1-1 libkipi-14.12.1-1 libkomparediff2-14.12.1-1 libmm-glib-1.4.2-1 libnm-glib-1.0.0-1 mesa-10.4.3-1 mesa-libgl-10.4.3-1 oxygen-icons-14.12.1-1 pacman-4.2.0-6
phonon-qt5-4.8.3-1 phonon-qt5-vlc-0.8.2-1 polkit-qt5-0.112-2 qt5-declarative-5.4.0-3 qt5-location-5.4.0-3 qt5-sensors-5.4.0-3 qt5-svg-5.4.0-3 qt5-webchannel-5.4.0-3 qt5-webkit-5.4.0-3 qt5-x11extras-5.4.0-3
qt5-xmlpatterns-5.4.0-3 solid-5.6.0-1 sonnet-5.6.0-1 sqlite-3.8.8.1-1 yakuake-2.9.9-4
Total Download Size: 107.20 MiB
Total Installed Size: 386.80 MiB
Net Upgrade Size: 172.52 MiB
:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
I have looked at almost all of the packages listed above and I currently only have a few of those installed. I can recognize the obvious ones I use (Krusader, Konsole, Gwenview and a few others) and their current deps. When I do a pacman -Qs on each of the above packages/deps, most of them are NOT currently installed.
Trying to keep my system light, with no unnecessary packages, I fail to see why I would need packages such as kcrash, kbookmarks, kconfigwidgets, kemoticons, knotifications, kwallet (I definitely do NOT use kwallet).
When I look at the Net Upgrade Size of +172.52 MiB, again, I fail to see WHY I would need to load my system up with all of these packages--unless absolutely necessary. But why would running the SAME apps as before, just upgrading them, require an extra 172+ MiB? That does NOT seem right at all. Granted, some of these MiB's are allocated to the other packages at end of list such as mesa, etc.; but most of the 172+ MiB's are most likely allocated to the KDE-related packages.
1) Short-term
I have tried to Ignore the packages in pacman.conf by adding "kde kdegraphics kdebase kdenetwork kf5 plasma-next" to the IgnoreGroup and "yakuake oxygen-icons kdebase-lib kdebase-runtime" to the IgnorePkg but that is not enough since there are some packages which do not belong to any group so I would need to hunt them down one by one, etc. And this does not seem to be the right approach, in any event.
2) Long-term
I do want to upgrade the applications which I DO use, such as Krusader, Konsole, etc.; so it would seem I need to resolve this issue.
For further info, if I change the replies on the choices pacman offers on upgrading, this is what I get (which is probably normal):
% pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: caps: ignoring package upgrade (0.9.23-1 => 0.9.24-1)
warning: cups: ignoring package upgrade (1.7.5-1 => 2.0.1-1)
:: Replace kdebase-katepart with extra/katepart4? [Y/n] n
:: Replace kdebase-konsole with extra/konsole? [Y/n] n
:: Replace kdegraphics-gwenview with extra/gwenview? [Y/n] n
warning: libcups: ignoring package upgrade (1.7.5-1 => 2.0.1-1)
warning: opera: ignoring package upgrade (12.16.1860-2 => 26.0.1656.60-1)
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
:: konsolepart4 and kdebase-konsole are in conflict. Remove kdebase-konsole? [y/N] n
error: unresolvable package conflicts detected
error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
:: konsolepart4 and kdebase-konsole are in conflict (kdebase-konsole<4.14.3-4)
So, what am I missing? Just a few brain cells, i.e. the apps I have (in their updated versions) actually DO need all of the deps listed? (This really makes no sense to me.)
Or is there a problem with the required dependencies?
Thanks for any helpful feedback.
Last edited by stef_204 (2015-01-26 09:32:26)

Well, If you are correct (and you probably are), with all due respect to KDE users/developers, IMHO this just confirms the trend towards "bloat".....
Again, I see no reason whatsoever to have to install kwallet (for example) when I'm just not using it, etc.
This just makes me want to uninstall those apps altogether or, probably better, just stop at the versions I currently have and prevent them from upgrading, as a temporary solution.
I might be able to switch to other smaller/lighter apps, over time--which will probably have less features, though, but can't always have your cake and eat it too, I suppose.
What is the best way for me to prevent this upgrade of all kde-related apps from 4.14 to higher versions?
I mentioned in my original post which groups and packages I tried adding to pacman.conf IgnoreGroup and IgnorePkg but I am obviously missing something.
Any suggestions as to how to properly stop from upgrading?
This is where I am right now, for pacman.conf
IgnorePkg = netcfg cups libcups compton-conf-git caps opera yakuake oxygen-icons kdebase-lib kdebase-runtime kdebase-konsole kdegraphics-gwenview kdebase-katepart kdelibs kdepimlibs libkdcraw libkipi libkomparediff2
IgnoreGroup = kde kdegraphics kdebase kdenetwork kf5 kf5-aids plasma-next
Results in:
% pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: caps: ignoring package upgrade (0.9.23-1 => 0.9.24-1)
warning: cups: ignoring package upgrade (1.7.5-1 => 2.0.1-1)
warning: ignoring package replacement (kdebase-katepart-4.14.3-1 => katepart4-4.14.3-2)
warning: ignoring package replacement (kdebase-konsole-4.14.3-1 => konsole-14.12.1-1)
warning: kdebase-lib: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-2)
warning: kdebase-runtime: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: ignoring package replacement (kdegraphics-gwenview-4.14.3-1 => gwenview-14.12.1-2)
warning: kdegraphics-kolourpaint: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdegraphics-ksnapshot: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdegraphics-mobipocket: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdelibs: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-2 => 4.14.4-1)
warning: kdenetwork-filesharing: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdepimlibs: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 4.14.4-1)
warning: kdesdk-kompare: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdeutils-ark: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdeutils-filelight: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdeutils-kcalc: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: kdeutils-kcharselect: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: libcups: ignoring package upgrade (1.7.5-1 => 2.0.1-1)
warning: libkdcraw: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: libkipi: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: libkomparediff2: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: opera: ignoring package upgrade (12.16.1860-2 => 26.0.1656.60-1)
warning: oxygen-icons: ignoring package upgrade (4.14.3-1 => 14.12.1-1)
warning: yakuake: ignoring package upgrade (2.9.9-3 => 2.9.9-4)
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
Packages (7) lib32-mesa-10.4.3-1 lib32-mesa-libgl-10.4.3-1 libmm-glib-1.4.2-1 libnm-glib-1.0.0-1 mesa-10.4.3-1 mesa-libgl-10.4.3-1 sqlite-3.8.8.1-1
Total Download Size: 14.07 MiB
Total Installed Size: 65.56 MiB
Net Upgrade Size: 2.82 MiB
:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
I haven't gone through the upgrade yet, cancelled out of it.
Any feedback on above?
Thanks.
Last edited by stef_204 (2015-01-25 15:27:39)

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When I called, the person on the phone said that this was not possible (and that there was no record of this commitment on my notes)...
It seems that there is no reward for loyalty or honesty... :-/

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I haven't been able to install the upgrade to Mavericks and am unsure of what is wrong on my Intel Core Duo iMac. I recently upgraded to 4 gig memory.
This is the section of the error log I think is pertinent.
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: Thread 15 Crashed:
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 0   libsystem_kernel.dylib         0x00000001114ac866 __pthread_kill + 10
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 1   libsystem_pthread.dylib       0x00000001115bc35c pthread_kill + 92
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 2   libsystem_c.dylib             0x00000001113d8bba __abort + 145
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 3   libsystem_c.dylib             0x00000001113d8b29 abort + 140
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 4   com.apple.bom                 0x00000001154243fb _defaultHandler + 84
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 5   com.apple.bom                 0x000000011542444a _BOMExceptionHandlerCall + 79
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 6   com.apple.bom                 0x00000001154450b9 BOMStreamReadUInt32 + 106
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 7   com.apple.bom                 0x0000000115424d3c _readArchInfo + 97
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 8   com.apple.bom                 0x0000000115424bc8 BOMBomOpenWithSys + 213
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 9   com.apple.PackageKit           0x0000000116c0ac69 -[PKBOM initWithBOMPath:] + 89
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 10 com.apple.PackageKit           0x0000000116c1c6f6 -[PKReceipt(Private) _BOM] + 81
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 11 com.apple.PackageKit           0x0000000116c1c781 -[PKReceipt(Private) _directoryEnumerator] + 25
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 12 com.apple.SystemMigration     0x0000000116d52bfa -[SMFindSystemFiles _findSystemPaths] + 1428
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 13 com.apple.SystemMigration     0x0000000116d532c2 -[SMFindSystemFiles systemPaths] + 811
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 14 com.apple.SystemMigration     0x0000000116d547ec -[SMPathAnalyzer prunedSystemPathsReturningSize:] + 178
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 15 com.apple.SystemMigration     0x0000000116d54909 -[SMPathAnalyzer prunedReaperPathsReturningSize:targetSystemVersionString:] + 70
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 16 com.apple.osinstallframework   0x000000010d9c441d -[OSReapSpaceChecker _calculateSystemPathsAndSize] + 252
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 17 com.apple.osinstallframework   0x000000010d9c453d -[OSReapSpaceChecker reapableSpace] + 88
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 18 com.apple.osinstallframework   0x000000010d9bd59d -[OSPreInstallSizingQueueElement _run] + 492
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 19 com.apple.Foundation           0x000000010dde2dfb __NSThread__main__ + 1318
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 20 libsystem_pthread.dylib       0x00000001115bb899 _pthread_body + 138
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 21 libsystem_pthread.dylib       0x00000001115bb72a _pthread_start + 137
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: 22 libsystem_pthread.dylib       0x00000001115bffc9 thread_start + 13
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: Thread 15 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:   rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x00000001227cd000 rcx: 0x00000001227cc5b8 rdx: 0x0000000000000000
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:   rdi: 0x000000000000772b rsi: 0x0000000000000006 rbp: 0x00000001227cc5e0 rsp: 0x00000001227cc5b8
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:    r8: 0x0000000000000000   r9: 0x0000000000989680 r10: 0x0000000008000000 r11: 0x0000000000000206
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:   r12: 0x00007ff4b31be370 r13: 0x0000000000000048 r14: 0x0000000000000006 r15: 0x0000000000000000
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:   rip: 0x00000001114ac866 rfl: 0x0000000000000206 cr2: 0x0000000108e06000
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]:
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: Logical CPU:     0
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: Error Code:      0x02000148
Sep 28 16:35:47 downstairs.att.net ReportCrash[389]: Trap Number:     133
Ideas??

Normally what happens is that each of the software vendors are testing their products on Lion already. If they find some problem running under Lion they have the time make the fixes before Lion goes to the public.
You can check the vendor sites to see if they have updates for Lion when the public release is closer. You'll probably find that most software is ok as is.
Upgrades will leave your software and data intact.
Regards,
Captfred

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Hello everyone,
I’m very new to SSIS world. I’ve been assigned a task to upgrade the existing packages running in VS 2010 with SQL Server 2008 to VS 2013 and SQL Server 2014. And then submit the migration report to my client.
On very quick search at Google, I've found the following link. It seems like I just need to open the existing SSIS project in VS 2013 and follow the wizard.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc280547.aspx
Can anybody please advise, are there any other things need to be taken care while doing this up gradation process?
Please share your experience.
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Thanks, <b>Ankit Shah</b> <hr> Inkey Solutions, India. <hr> Microsoft Certified Business Management Solutions Professionals <hr> http://ankit.inkeysolutions.com

Hello Arthur,
Thank you for the response.
I just got an access of the packages. They are of VS 2008 and not 2010.
Do you know how to upgrade VS 2008 packaged to VS 2013?
When I tried to open the solution file in VS 2013, it says "incompatible".
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Ankit
Thanks, <b>Ankit Shah</b> <hr> Inkey Solutions, India. <hr> Microsoft Certified Business Management Solutions Professionals <hr> http://ankit.inkeysolutions.com

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Hi All,
We are planning to apply the SP 21 for SAP BW 3.5 system.
Currently we are on SP 18.
We had created a Customer message to SAP regarding the Pre-Preparatory Steps before applying and Post upgrade steps . But the reply we got is quite confusing.
In one of the steps they had asked us to delete the Delta queue and delete the Set up tables. But looks like they have got confused with the SAP R/3 Upgrade.
Previously, when we upgraded from SAP BW 3.1 to 3.5 we never touched anything concerned with the Source systems ( SAP R/3).
Could anyone guide me regarding this issue. Also it would be great help if anyone give the Pre-Preparatory Steps before applying and Post upgrade steps.
Regards,
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Hi,
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http://service.sap.com/bi
http://service.sap.com/sp-stacks for BW 3..5 not for BI 7.0 (EhPs)
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