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<div class="container">
              <div class="leftcolumn">
              <h1 class="pagetitle">OUR STORY</h1>
              <div id="va-menuaccordion" class="va-menucontainer">
              <div class="va-menunav">
                    <span class="va-menunav-prev">Previous</span>
                    <span class="va-menunav-next">Next</span>
                </div>
                <div class="va-menuwrapper">
                    <div class="va-menuslice va-menuslice-1">
                        <h3 class="va-menutitle">OUR STORY</h3>
                        <div class="va-menucontent">
                            <ul>
                                <li><a href="#">history</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">mission</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">house of music</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">our people</a></li>
                            </ul>
                        </div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="va-menuslice va-menuslice-2">
                        <h3 class="va-menutitle">PRIVATE EVENTS</h3>
                        <div class="va-menucontent">
                            <ul>
                                <li><a href="#">VENUE INFO</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">event questionaire</a></li>
                            </ul>
                        </div>   
                    </div>
                    <div class="va-menuslice va-menuslice-3">
                        <h3 class="va-menutitle">MEMBERSHIP</h3>
                        <div class="va-menucontent">
                            <ul>
                                <li><a href="#">member benefits</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">event questionaire</a></li>
                            </ul>
                        </div>   
                    </div>
                    <div class="va-menuslice va-menuslice-4">
                        <h3 class="va-menutitle">EVENTS CALENDER</h3>
                        <div class="va-menucontent">
                            <ul>
                                <li><a href="#">upcoming events</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">past events</a></li>
                            </ul>
                        </div>   
                    </div>
                    <div class="va-menuslice va-menuslice-5">
                        <h3 class="va-menutitle">GALLERY</h3>
                        <div class="va-menucontent">
                            <ul>
                                <li><a href="#">platinum ballroom</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">music/film studios</a></li>
                                <li><a href="#">cafe/art gallery</a></li>
                            </ul>
                        </div>   
                    </div>
                </div>
                </div>
                </div>
<div class="rightcolumn">
                <div class="HOMCDcover"></div>
                <div class="Textcontainer">
                <h2 class="pagetitle">HISTORY</h2>
                <p class="columnTEXT">The City of Oakland has enjoyed a thriving West Coast music scene, and can claim numerous prominent homegrown musicians representing genres such as Rhythm and Blues, Funk, Punk and Soul and good Rock and Roll. House of Music which was located in a small Victorian at 886 Wood Street, in a dismal West Oakland Area also known as the "lower bottoms" to most Outlander's began as The Tony School of Music which was used as the Music Studio to Tony Toni Tone' and to house newly developed artist such as Destiny Child and Keisha Cole, and Alicia Keys was owned and occupied by Wiggins from 1996 up till 2009. Now Mr. Wiggins would like to transform the (TSM) Tony School of Music philosophy and introduce the world to the House of Music - Oakland Cultural and New Media Center. The downtown establishment provides weekly live entertainment, a state of the art sound stage with full television and film production studios, a restaurant that caters.</p>
                </div>
                <div id="missioncontainer">
                <h2 class="pagetitle">MISSION</h2>
                <p class="columnTEXT">The mission of House of Music is to create an entertainment, community and dining venue for the residents of Oakland.  House of Music is an accessible and affordable venue, offering unique and appealing entertainment for all visitors. The purpose of House of Music is to provide the residents of Alameda County, and beyond, with quality entertainment in an enjoyable, pleasant atmosphere. It is an excellent place and opportunity for social interaction with dancing, educational classes, and special events, with an emphasis on "Live" music.</p>
                </div>
                </div>
<footer class="pagefootercontainer">
              <div class="footerContent">
              <h4 class="footerTitle">OUR STORY</h4>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">History</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Mission</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">House of Music</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Our People</a></p>
              </div>
              <div class="footerContent">
              <h4 class="footerTitle">PRIVATE EVENTS</h4>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Venue Info</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Event Questionaire</a></p>
              </div>
              <div class="footerContent">
              <h4 class="footerTitle">MEMBERSHIP</h4>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Member Benefits</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Enrollment Process</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Registration Form</a></p>
              </div>
              <div class="footerContent">
              <h4 class="footerTitle">EVENTS CALENDER</h4>
              <br>
              <h4 class="footerTitle">GALLERY</h4>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Platinum Ballroom</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Music/Film Production Studios</a></p>
              <br>
              <p><a href="#">Cafe/Art Gallery</a></p>
              </div>
              <div class="footerContent">
              <h4 class="footerTitle">CONNECT WITH US!</h4>
              <div class="socialmedia">
                <a id="facebook" href="#" title="Like the House of Music facebook page"><span>House of Music facebook page</span></a>
              </div>
              <div class="socialmedia">
                <a id="twitter" href="#" title="Follow the House of Music on twitter"><span>House of Music on twitter</span></a>
              </div>
              <div class="socialmedia">
                <a id="stumblupon" href="#" title="House of Music on stumblupon"><span>House of Music on stumblupon</span></a>
              </div>
              </div>
    </footer>

try changing from <footer> tag to <div> tag...
change
<footer class="pagefootercontainer">
to
<div id="pagefootercontainer"><
change
</footer >
to
</div>
If you are using div floats, then you may want to add "clear" class (search internet for "css clear floats")
<div class="clear" id="pagefootercontainer">

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