I Photo Book Design and File Sizes??

I Photo ? for any photo buffs out there-- I cant find what the largest file size i can import for an iphoto book-
Also--i am making my own photo page using another program and then I guess i will then import them to iPhoto so i can import them to a book-
also-- when it says ful page bleed-- it appears that iphoto still puts a grey border around--thus making your photo page smaller-- any work arounds this??
I want all my pages to have photo end to end-- complete bleed to the page edges -Thanks for any --All Help!! T Hopkins
I have Lion operating system-- do not see it as a choice to select here either?

From what I've observed in my books full bleed was just that. Have you checked out a sample book at your nearest Apple store?
The page dimensions are 8.5 x 11 for the standard, hard cover book. Photos should have the sRGB color profile (NOT the Adobe RGB profile). Since iPhoto creates a pdf of the book at 300 dpi for uploading and printing photos don't need to have a dpi resolution any higher than that.
An easy way to get the page from a 3rd party app into iPhoto would be to do a Print ➙ PDF ➙ Save PDF to iPhoto. This will create a jpg file of the page and import it into iPhoto. If you don't have the Save PDF to iPhoto option in the PDF menu you can download the file, a 300 dpi version, Save PDF to iPhoto 300 DPI.workflow from Toad's Cellar and place it in the HD/Library/PDF Services folder.
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I believe Frank is referring to the end use (e.g., for print or on-screen use).
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Where are you seeing this size reduction? What format are the original photos?
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Thanks Rich. It kind of sounds like you know something about this.
I see 1 pixel, and 24 bit color would make 24 bits at 8 bits to a byte, so there's the 3 bytes.
I selected a certain photo and used the APPLE i command to see if could find if it had 8 bit color or, whatever. That infomation was not on the info function, but it did say something about RGB color profile.
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KODAK NEXPRESS 2500 Digital Production Color Press
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