ICC Profile vs Photoshop vs Image

Hi guys,
First of all, please forgive my poor english.
I have as usual been through all the forum-reading, answer-searching stuff.
I've been having a problem with Photoshop color management since my last Windows upgrade to 7.
Colors just won't display the same in Photoshop and outside Photoshop.
I understand this has something to do with ICC profiles and applications being color managed or not.
I just downloaded an ICC profile supposedly corresponding to my monitor (there : mine is the Dell E228WFPc, but their icc is for the E228WFP http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-42/-telecharger-un-profil-calibre-pour-son-ecran-dell- 24.html I decided to try it anyway, and the colors look good...).
I don't know what makes photos not look the same inside of Photoshop. It's the case for all photographs, including those that I postworked before my reinstallation of Windows.
What would you suggest ?
Thanks in advance for your answers.

Color-management is simply the process of interpreting the colors in an image per a given document color profile, then preparing them for proper display on a device using a given device color profile. Profiles describe how color values are interpreted into real colors that we see.
Some of the first things to keep in mind with color-management are these:
Not all applications are color-managed. Many do not look at your monitor profile, and almost as many don't even look at your document profile.
Given the above, colors can be expected to look different in images displayed by applications that ARE color-managed vs. those that ARE NOT.
So in your case Photoshop, which is fully color-managed, is using both your image profile and your monitor-specific profile (and assuming they're accurate) to determine how to display colors on your monitor. This is NOT being done AT ALL in some apps, and only HALF being done in others (e.g., IE9 interprets the document profile but assumes your monitor is sRGB IEC61966-2.1).
You're seeing the differences.
Now, what's not a given is that your color profiles are accurately representing the color spaces of your document or display monitor. You may have prepared your document properly using a particular color profile, but what steps have you taken to ensure your monitor color profile accurately matches your monitor? That it's "the one" provided by the manufacturer may seem to be enough, but you don't really know what on-monitor settings or video card or cabling the manufaturer used to profile it, nor did they profile your particular copy. In short, factory monitor profiles are notoriously inaccurate.
You can choose to go in one of three directions:
1. Assume your factory monitor profile is accurate enough and just keep everything as it is.
2. Purchase a profiling device, follow their process for calibrating / profiling your display, and be sure your profile is accurate.
3. Assume your factory monitor profile is INACCURATE, replace it with the standard default sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile, and work to set your monitor controls and video card curves manually to make colors displayed with the sRGB profile and this monitor as accurate as possible.
The 3rd scenario actually has some advantages if you can accomplish it.
-Noel

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