Incremental Backup question

Hi,
I have a hot backup taken every wednesday and archive log backups taken every day. (using RMAN and netbackup). Oracle is 10.2.0.3 and OS is RHEL4.
Do I still need or (will it be helpful to have ) incremental backups? What is its purpose? Will the recovery be faster if I have incremental backups? Please comment.
Thank you,

i guess this is a good best practice found in Expert Oracle Database by Sam Alapati
"If you expect few changes in data, you are better off using incremental backups, since they
won’t consume a lot of space. Incremental backups, as part of your backup strategy, will reduce the
time required to apply redo during recovery. However, if most of your database blocks change frequently,
your incremental backups will be quite large. In such a case, you are better off making a
complete image copy of the database at regular intervals."
Edited by: doro on Aug 19, 2011 1:57 PM

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This question originated from a different post of mine, but is somewhat different so I'm starting it up as a separate topic.
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Above scripts seems to be correct.
Why you don't test it on test environment?
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Hi expert
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afzal wrote:
Dear Sir,
ok question number 2 is clear that incremental backup is not possible but still confuse
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Sami Malik wrote:
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