Install Classic Mac Environment on an eMac with retail CDs

Forgive me for creating a new post, I'm sure this has been asked before, I'm just not able to find anything helpful .
I have an eMac (the 1GHz USB 2.0 educational model) and retail copies of OS 10.3 and 9.1. OS 10.3 is installed, and I would like to install the Classic Mac Environment using my retail copy of OS9, but I can't figure out how to get it to work. The machine won't boot from the OS9 cd, and when I run the installer in Panther, it stops with a message that I need to update OS9, but cannot unless the drive is writable (which it isn't, because it's a cd). Is there a way to get OS9 onto my HDD so that I can actually update it, or do I need to buy another copy of OS9 to get this to work?
Thanks for any help!

If the eMac is running Mac OS X 10.3 currently, you can try this method, summarized here
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/macos9/nR2QQCKaCFA
This will give you a complete Mac OS 9.2.2 System Folder that you can use for Classic, with no need for an installation CD or updates.

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