Is it worth to start learning Java

Today I saw a post in JavaRanch (http://saloon.javaranch.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=33&t=017317). A guy asked a question for his friend about STARTING to learn Java NOW. Actually, I heard quite same question from people around myself.
For myself, I've been working on Java more than 7 years(already SCEA, hehe). However, the Java passion is getting away ;-((, I am looking around for other stuff like Ruby.
I have same confusion as that guy, and I'd like to learn from you guys for same question - for the current market situation, it is late/okay to touch Java?

thank for all the input.
my concerns are, particularly for newcomer, the
learning curve and the market trend.
my understanding is Java is losing its powder in web
application development comparing with other emerging
language like Ruby/Python, conversely, Java's powser
is going to server side(business/integration layer).Don't be so sure about that.
Java's not losing powder [sic] in web app development. It's mature and considered a standard for enterprise scale problems. Ruby and Python are gaining traction for smaller CRUD-like Web apps, but neither is up to snuff in the areas of security and transactions. Ruby is gaining popularity because of Rails, which makes creating simpler web apps easy.
Criticism of Java for complexity and a dearth of tools is fair. But are Trails, Grail, and AppFuse strong enough answers to Rails such that Java EE can be more agile for smaller apps? Time will tell. I think Spring and Hibernate are helping a great deal, more than EJB 3.0 will.
everybody knows it is hard thing to learn java,It's hard to learn anything, period. Programming in any language is a long learning curve, because it's so much more than just language syntax. You don't do enterprise apps just by learning Java, even if you stick to the EE platform. You have to know SQL and relational databases, messaging, XML, HTML, JavaScript, HTTP...the list is pretty long. All those technologies carry over to .NET and Ruby and anything else, so it's not just Java that's complex. Enterprise problems are complex.
And once you know all that, there's the problem of designing elegantly. It's a long climb no matter which language is on top.
regarding to server side programming for a java
newbie, it would be much harder to learn, further, it
will take you long long time to learn server side
java programming.
however, the job market (java) is still hot, and
seems to keep hot. and people still wanna jump in.It's still good, just not crazy like it was at the end of the 90's. There is the problem of competition from China, India, Vietnam, etc. that won't go away. But what field hasn't been affected by global competition? Only those areas where you have to touch the client, like auto mechanics. Even medicine has been affected - x-rays can be read anywhere in the world.
So, still confused to tell people whether or not to START java...;-((If you like programming, jump in. Learn Java, but it's more important to learn those bedrock technologies (e.g., data structures, compilers, parsers, finite automata, decomposition, relational databases, etc.) and learn how to learn. Languages will come and go. When I jumped into this field ten years ago C++ and Corba were the rage and Java didn't exist. Now I make a living writing Java. I'm reading about Ruby and Rails now, just dipping my toes into the water.
None of us are any better prophets than you are. I don't know what will happen or if Java will still be here ten years from now. COBOL and FORTRAN were born in the 50s, and both are very much with us today.
Just stop whining about it. Do what makes you happy, and stop worrying about what other people think.
%

Similar Messages

  • Need advice/suggestions on HOW and WHERE to START learning JAVA Prog.

    Hello
    MY educational background is Bachleor in Computer Science and Engg. (BE). I just landed in US and need to learn Basic JAVA programming , fundamentals, concepts of swing, JSP, JDBC connectivity............it might sound wierd seeing the above list but all i need to do at my work in future is all about DOCUMENTUM and i have very little time say 40 days to learn core java and its concepts coz that wuld come to play when i work on documentum.......even if come across something which i havent learnt in java, i guess i culd manage looking up some reference books, learn and do the job.....so can someone guide me thru the learning process of core java........i have been using " JAVA 2 Fundamentals Cay S Horstmann and Gary Cornell" and the basic tutorials which is available at sun.com but i am finding difficulty in remembering the concepts although i have understood it earlier. Is there a comprehensive online tutorial which can guide me through the learning process of core java?
    The resources available :
    P4 HP laptop
    24/7 High speed LAN
    the book i have mentioned earlier.
    just cant wait to start learning java
    Thanks

    Hello
    MY educational background is Bachleor in Computer
    Science and Engg. (BE). I just landed in US and need
    to learn Basic JAVA programming , fundamentals,
    concepts of swing, JSP, JDBC
    connectivity............it might sound wierd seeing
    the above list but all i need to do at my work in
    future is all about DOCUMENTUM and i have very
    little time say 40 days to learn core java and its
    concepts coz that wuld come to play when i work on
    documentum.......even if come across something which
    i havent learnt in java, i guess i culd manage
    looking up some reference books, learn and do the
    job.....so can someone guide me thru the learning
    process of core java........i have been using " JAVA
    2 Fundamentals Cay S Horstmann and Gary Cornell" and
    the basic tutorials which is available at sun.com but
    i am finding difficulty in remembering the concepts
    although i have understood it earlier. Is there a
    comprehensive online tutorial which can guide me
    through the learning process of core java?
    The resources available :
    P4 HP laptop
    24/7 High speed LAN
    the book i have mentioned earlier.
    just cant wait to start learning java
    ThanksOk, I haven't been much help here lately, but I'd like to help here if I can. In my opinion, you're talking about Advanced Java topics here. You are basically asking to run before you walk.
    Can you compile and run a simple 'Hello World' program in Java?
    I've always found that a positive way to start.

  • I want to start learning Java

    I want to learn Java, and write Java codes. I searched through this website for an article which explains what a develepment environment I must have, but couldn't find anything, because it is designed in a too formal manner.
    Can you simply give me a list of software to install to setup myself a Java development system?

    hkBattousai wrote:
    You kept giving me links from this website. I said it is very fomal and %95 of the information is trivia.
    Anyway I found the answer on a third party program's website:
    http://www.jcreator.com/installation.htm
    All I need is
    1) JDK
    2) A Java IDE
    Is this right?Of course, JCreator is a nice IDE for beginners. Also, it is simple to use.

  • How to start learning java language?

    can any one advise me how to start with

    can any one advise me how to start withJVerd's post is great.
    Also there are some links I have compiled over the last few months along with others in this forum.
    Free Tutorials and Such
    Installation Notes - JDK 5.0 Microsoft Windows (32-bit)
    Your First Cup of Java
    The Java? Tutorial - A practical guide for programmers
    New to Java Center
    Java Programming Notes - Fred Swartz
    How To Think Like A Computer Scientist
    Introduction to Computer science using Java
    The Java Developers Almanac 1.4
    Object-Oriented Programming Concepts
    Object-oriented language basics
    Don't Fear the OOP
    Free Java Books
    Thinking in Java, by Bruce Eckel (Free online)
    Core Servlet Programming, by Merty Hall (Free Online)
    More Servlets, by Marty Hall (Free Online)
    A Java GUI Programmer's Primer
    Data Structures and Algorithms
    with Object-Oriented Design Patterns in Java, by Bruno R. Preiss
    Introduction to Programming Using Java, by David J. Eck
    Advanced Programming for the Java 2 Platform
    The Java Language Specification
    Books:
    Head First Java, by Bert Bates and Kathy Sierra
    Core Java, by Cay Horstmann and Gary Cornell
    Effective Java, by Joshua Bloch
    Also if you are in school, definatly take a intro to programming course.
    Have Fun,
    JJ

  • Good website to start learning Java on

    What's a good website to start with?
    Edited by: teenprogrammer on Jun 19, 2008 10:02 AM

    From the previous link: [http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/index.html]
    Also, right on the New To Java forum web page: [http://java.sun.com/new2java/]

  • Links to learn Java

    Hi,
    I friend of mine has just started learning Java. Can you reccomend any tutorial sessions on the web or some books?
    Thank you very much
    Maria

    By all means, please direct your friend to the JDC's:
    New to Java Programming Center: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/new2java/
    Have your friend subscribe to the center's monthly email supplement and read past issues online:
    http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/new2java/supplements/
    As for books, have your friend read this article:
    Books to Shorten Your Learning Curve:
    http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/new2java//programming/learn/bookreview.html
    Then have your friend check out our tutorials:
    http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/
    Starting with the New to Java Programming Center because that is the collection of beginner material all linked in one convenient spot.
    Enjoy!
    Dana Nourie

  • Learning java before jsp?

    Do I need to know Java before learning JSP?
    Also, I have a laptop that I am using at home and would like to start learning Java and JSP. Will Tomcat work on my laptop? Can I launch it from my desktop?

    It is not absolutely necessary to learn java before you learn jsp, but you must at least have programming experience. But if you want to do better, then you need to learn java.
    tomcat should run on your laptop.

  • What are pre-requisite softwares to be installed to start working JAVA?

    HI ALL,
    Greetings.
    Would you pls. let me know what are pre-requisite softwares to be installed to start learning with JAVA? I have completed OCA certification and now i want to start learning JAVA so that i can develop front end database application. I have no other language experience other than PL/SQL.
    Pls. let me know what the primary and essential softwares to be installed to start learning java to suit my desired objective as mentioned above.
    Thanks in advance.

    Follow this trail - http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/ .

  • Just now i started learning ABAP and basically from JAVA background.

    hi,
    Just now i started learning ABAP and basically from JAVA background.Can anyone tell me how to implement(steps) java in sap(from where i have to start).
    regards,
    Venkat.

    Hi Venkat,
         if u know java very well, then u can take up EP. ABAP is also very easy one to read and understand, as ur basically from prgming background.
    To start with go thro the classical abap and then come to abapoo.
    u can find so many link when u search for doc in sdn.
    all the best,
    Regards
    Sathish

  • Is it worth learning JAVA?

    Howdy!
    Is it worth learning JAVA or would I be oaky with just sticking with ABAP and learning ABAP objects?
    All opinions welcome y'all!

    Hi Steve,
    Sticking to ABAP is for the (near) future an option.
    However SAP is migating to the SAP NetWeaver environment where a totally new development suite is presented: The SAP NetWeaver Development Studio.
    With it you can develop the new Web Dynpro's and the studio is based on IBM's Eclipse (totally Java).
    You can develop without knowledge of Java, however some knowledge of Java is very helpfull.
    If you want to stick to ABAP: Somewhere half/end of the year 2005 this Developer studio will also be expanded with ABAP (you have to wait for that).
    On the other hand, current releases of SAP components (Like CRM, Enterprise, SCM, APO and so on) still require the knowledge of ABAP (preferably ABAP Objects).
    In my view ABAP Objects will play a major role in the new Developer Studio (when it comes available). Straight forward ABAP (without OO parts) will see it's role slowly getting less and less.
    So my advice would be: Learn Java (at least do a beginners training with it) and learn all about ABAP Objects. You will be ready for the future.
    Regrads,
    Rob.

  • Learn Java first or start with C?

    I am completely new to the programming world. However, I'm an MCP with WinNT experience and have worked in the computer industry (desktop, hardware and various software support) for almost four years.
    I want to know if it's actually all right to start learning how to program with Java 2 without any previous programming experience. Plus, would Java 2 be a good place to start? I've taken a fast-paced 5-day crash course at a local State university and actually seemed to understand the concepts and was able to answer the instructors' questions. (What was surprising, and somewhat scary, was that I was able to answer questions that the regular C programmers couldn't seem to answer).
    However, I just want to make sure I'm following the right path.
    Please advise if you can.
    Thanks!
    -MB

    This is the main reason I'd pick Java to teach a newbie about programming:
    It pretty much lets you do anything you can do with C and C++ (short of directly manipulating computer memory) with a syntax that's much simpler and elegant. Java just gives you fewer things to worry about, and yet tests all the important skills a programmer needs.
    But it's still possible to write bad Java code. Java has it's own share of bad programming habits.
    Grab a good Java book. My favorite is Java in a Nutshell by David Flanagan. It's concise and to the point, which may or may not be the best for someone totally new to programming. Download the Java Development Kit (it's free). And get your hands dirty. Start out with a simple tic-tac-toe program, and go from there. That's the only way to find out if programming is hard or not.
    And add the Java Developer Connection to your Internet bookmarks list. It's an invaluable resource for all programmers, new and experienced.
    If you have any other questions I'd be more than happy to help.
    Juan
    [email protected]

  • Learning Java - Where do I start

    I would like to learn Java programming. I have solid background in OOP. Please let me know where I can start and how I can get hands-on experience
    Thank you

    You need both good programming tools and books:
    1. download JDK131 from sun and install it;
    2. download Forte for Java 3.0 from sun and install it;
    3. download Java tutorial and other documents from sun
    and read it.
    then you can start.

  • How can i start my learning Java?

    i am new to Java,and my platform is Linux.
    how shall i begin my learning Java?
    I think first i shall install J2ee on my Linux,
    but what is the second and which editor is best
    for write Java source code?

    >
    and as editor: use one with syntax highlighting like
    nedit or Emacs/XEmacs and there are several free IDE
    available like http://eclipse.org which include an
    editorDon't use an IDE for at least 3 months use a simple text editor such as;-
    http://welcome.to/metapad/

  • Im Trying To Learn Java :o(

    Hey All,
    I have decided to get my mind active and randomly learn Java. I say randomly because i am going to be a student again in IT but i like the kinda 3D side and modelling and nice pictures and flash actionscript lol not all this stuff.
    Anways i would just start by saying that Java offends me massivly, i know something happened with M$ and Sun and ever since then all i have had with the sun download is problem after problem and crashing and all iw as tryin to do was play some Jippii games. This aint a recent problem, it always happens and i must have reformatted xp around 7 times. So i stay away from applets!!!
    Anyways in 2002 when i started learning Flash it was because i seen a site i liked and wanted to do that. The equivelent is kinda like me saying "OK GUYS I HAVE JAVA NOW HOW DO I MAKE DOOM" anyways 2 and a half years later im happy with what i can do and have used alot of different apps and learned alot from 3dsmax to aftereffects etc.
    Anyways my goal out of this whole Java thing is to make a game like one i used to play when i was younger on the Amiga 500. No where has this game and a modern one would be great to play. The graphics suck but the physics were really nice.
    So my questions are:
    1) Java. Ok im going to be honest, i know nothing about Java, i dont even know if it can do what i want and what i really dont want is to spend a while learning this to be stuck with no effects for my game, ie are small particle effects possible in Java? I know Java is pretty slow for a proper language compared to C/C++ but how slow? Can you shift a hundred particles around the screen and still add physics in the background?
    2) Java. The whole thing confuses me massivly. Im not a big posting person as i tend to prefer searching but i dont even know where to begin. I will bite the bullet and say i aint going to have alot of problems with the syntax of the language itself. It all looks kinda how i expect it, obviously i dont mean i aint gonna have problems and lot of them but it is not REALLY alien to me to look at a bit code. At the same time it is. I need to know alot of stuff, things that the 2 ebooks i have just ignored. For example, when i compile something, i thought that meant it compiled to the EXE but infact it turned my "heyworld.java" into a "heyworld.class" file. This just makes no sense to me atall because i HATE command line stuff, i see it as reinventing the wheel so im trying to follow through on first of all netbeans (an that went off almost instantly) and a free one that got my hey world to work (well, class). I need to know if a compiler dont make a exe then whats the class for and what exactly is a class file. You know just stuff like that? Does anyone know i kinda dictionary so to speak? baby talk i mean, so far all i seem to get is explainations with words i dont understand.
    3) How difficult is it to make a 2D game in Java? To make this plainer, i aint having an applet run somewhere, i want a nice downloadable exe. Of course i will need to start at the beginning but i mean to get a ship on the screen with keys to move it and a "cave" roof to crash into, is this going to take a long long long time to get to that stage? You see, as i said before unless after a few days i have a object on screen to work with, i just get too bored to continue. for example "the object of this is to make a red circle move across the screen" REALLY interests me where as "today we are going to make a mock system for a small business user" sends me back to 3Dmax and the lighting i was reading about lol I tend to look at a piece of code and be devestated by its complexity then try and make it make sense over time. Is this possible with Java? It does work for me this, i was picking apart a isometric code in actionscript before i knew what a tween was.
    4) Theres so many different J*** J"EE things floating around that i dont actually know what one i am meant to use? I got 1.4.2 i think but thats all i know. Id like any other things that helped yourselfs start off in Java?
    Sorry to go into a bit detail here, its just that with this degree im starting, it soon branches off into 2 groups. Programmers and Designers. I feel i know the design side well enough to make a comparison but it would be rude to leave this side of the things out and write it off without atleast giving it a shot.
    Thank you very much for your time :o)
    Kind regards,
    Clarky.

    If you want an idea of what's possible with Java, do a google search for "java games" or something like that. I've seen occasional postings of what are supposed to be pretty cool games that have been written in Java, but I'm not into games, so I've never bothered to check 'em out personally.
    As to whether you can do it, well, you'll have to figure that out. Learning Java well enough to create a video game is not a trivial task. I don't just mean the syntax of the language, I mean the many APIs you'll be using, concepts like multithreading and exception handling, good OO principles, etc. Without a good handle on that stuff, your code will quickly turn into a morass that will be difficult to enhance, maintain, or debug.
    I suspect that the code to make a particular graphical event occur will be more verbose and complex in Java than in ActionScript, given that Java is a general purpose language and AS is more geared to GUIs. Nonetheless, I'm sure there are APIs out there (some free, some not) that will provide some higher level constructs than the core APIs to make some of that easier. You'll still be operating in the idiom of a general programming language though.
    There may also be a hybrid solution available--where you use Java to express the game logic and another language to express the graphics. I don't know anything about this kind of stuff though, so that's just speculation.
    You may get more precise advice in the GUI Building forums on http://forum.java.sun.com/ than here.
    Here are some resources to get you started on Java in general.
    Sun's basic Java tutorial
    Sun's New To Java Center. Includes an overview of what Java is, instructions for setting up Java, an intro to programming (that includes links to the above tutorial or to parts of it), quizzes, a list of resources, and info on certification and courses.
    http://javaalmanac.com. A couple dozen code examples that supplement The Java Developers Almanac.
    jGuru. A general Java resource site. Includes FAQs, forums, courses, more.
    JavaRanch. To quote the tagline on their homepage: "a friendly place for Java greenhorns." FAQs, forums (moderated, I believe), sample code, all kinds of goodies for newbies. From what I've heard, they live up to the "friendly" claim.
    Bruce Eckel's Thinking in Java (Available online.)
    Joshua Bloch's Effective Java
    Bert Bates and Kathy Sierra's Head First Java.

  • For all the newbies who wants to learn Java

    I was a newbie like 4 months ago. i have some skills of OOP in C++ like 2 years back but since then i did'nt took any of programming language courses. I have experience in MSaccess and MYsql. i did my internship Last summer with Tennessee Education Lottery as a Database Analyst. At that time i realized what a Corporate Enviorment looks like. Trust me it was a formal interview and i passed it and they placed me in the IT department to write some scripts for the GUI terminal and at the same time create a Company Security Database. i did completed my project but i had to Learn Mysql. and then i realized Java was getting very popular. alot of people told me in the forums to go Java tutorial but i will not agree to start from the sun tutorial. you can do it only if you have a good or may be medium experience of OOP. it was really tough for me and then this magic guy came on the forum and told me to go on this website if you want to learn Java.
    http://chortle.ccsu.edu/java5/cs151java.html
    This site is a brilliant site specially the exercise problems and the quizes really attracted me to Java alot and now i came to realize how easy it is to program in Java rather than C++. Java forums have helped me alot in solving those exercise problems (not with the code but with a good explanation) which was very helpful for me. out of my 210 post i guess i have helped 30 people out and the rest of the questions are regarding those exercises. i came to know encapsulation, inheritance and all that stuff. though i am still not very perfect like i am still having trouble with ComparTo thing but it takes more practice. the more you practice the more you learn. so all the newbies if you really want to learn java even if you dont have any experience in OOp this is the site where you need to start. Hope this will definitely help you alot. thanks to all the Senior members navycoder, captain, paulcw, duffy, turingpest and others also who have helped me in the past. without you i would have not achieved the goal of learning java. now my next step is going to be learn GUI programming Swing. looks fun to me. but at the same time i have my final project for this semester to make on ONline Testing program which will have a database, php scripting and html and xml.
    I will post if i have any problems

    I was a newbie like 4 months ago. i have some skills
    of OOP in C++ like 2 years back but since then i
    did'nt took any of programming language courses. I
    have experience in MSaccess and MYsql. i did my
    internship Last summer with Tennessee Education
    Lottery as a Database Analyst. At that time i
    realized what a Corporate Enviorment looks like.
    Trust me it was a formal interview and i passed it
    and they placed me in the IT department to write some
    scripts for the GUI terminal and at the same time
    create a Company Security Database.Wow they really must like to gamble if they put you in charge of a security database - no offense meant, but that isn't the sort of thing you would want a brand new person working on, unless of course they were giving really high odds ;-)

Maybe you are looking for