Island 6-row keyboards coming to Thinkpads - your opinions?

Now that the new Thinkpads for 2012 have been announced, with pictures, we can see that one big change across the entire line-up (more specifically, T/W/X series) is the transition to the 6-row island keyboard in lieu of the traditional 7-row one.
This is the old keyboard.
This is the new keyboard.
I posted a poll on the Thinkpad forums (here), but I would specifically like to post it here as well, as I feel that this community may be more diverse and represent a more general (or at least different) group of Thinkpad users.
Unfortunately, it seems there is no technical way to actually make a poll, so all I can do is list the options, and anyone who wants can reply with the option number of their choice (and a few words of explanation if they want so).
Please vote only on the keyboard and only as a whole. Therefore if some aspect of the new keyboard appeals to you, but the other doesn't, try to still consider whether the overall keyboard change is attractive to you or not, choose the option that most accurately describes your feelings.
Poll question: How do you like the latest keyboard change?
Options:
(1) Very good - It makes these Thinkpads more appealing to me
(2) Good - I like it
(3) Neutral - Don't care either way
(4) Bad - I dislike it
(5) Very bad - This may be a deal-breaker for me
(6) I'll make up my mind once I've actually had one to try

I voted # 5.
The new layout is simply not something I've ever envisioned on a ThinkPad. Not in my worst nightmares.
The new layout is something I'll never accept on a ThinkPad.
Cheers,
George
In daily use: R60F, R500F, T61, T410
Collecting dust: T60
Enjoying retirement: A31p, T42p,
Non-ThinkPads: Panasonic CF-31 & CF-52, HP 8760W
Starting Thursday, 08/14/2014 I'll be away from the forums until further notice. Please do NOT send private messages since I won't be able to read them. Thank you.

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user1175303 wrote:
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PS:
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hello
we have several internal systems that are within the same lan and want to communicate with several external systems that may be in the other buildings by using the release line.i am now considering the architecture for the project,and have got an immature blueprint,please help me to make it more perfect by give me your opinions,the scenario as:
within the lan,there are several systems that are developed by using different languages,let's suppose they are two(named internal1 and internal2),the two systems need to communicate with other two external systems(named external1 and external2) that are also developed by using different languages.all of the communications are bi-direction.there are several combinations:
1 internal1 <--> internal2
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3 internal2 <--> external1 or external2
in my project,the timelimit is critical,as short as possible.
according to the mentioned requirements,i decide to develop a infomation exchanging platform by using java which sit in the MIDDLE of the internal and external systems and WITHIN the lan,act as information dispatcher or coordinator,both of the internal system and external system communicate with it only.considering the multi-language and time-critical feature,i choose the way of socket communication among the systems and design a set of xml format internal protocol.otherwise,i think the message middleware are also needed within my project as message buffer.when i deepen into the detailed designing,i get some confusions,let us discuss them as followiing:
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2 if is the information exchanging platform needed?some one suggest that subsystems can communicate with each other directly,
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an inner class is effectively a non static instance
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>
I think the problem here is that making a field static
means more than just that that field and its value are
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>
if you wanted a static member in an inner class you
could put it in a super class of the inner class...Or in the enclosing class, as suggested in the orginal post.

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