JDBC-ODBC bridge without DSN

I have a MS Access database which I want to connect to dynamicly using JDBC-ODBC bridge and without having to create a new record for the database in the DSN.
Usually the code looks like this
// Load the JDBC-ODBC bridge driver
Class.forName ("sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver");
// ODBC data source name
String dsn = "jdbc:odbc:AccessTest";
String user = "admin";
String password = "";
con = DriverManager.getConnection(dsn, user, password);
...But since the position or name of the database is always changing I would like have it something like this
String pathToDatabase = "c:\temp\database.mdb";
// Load the JDBC-ODBC bridge driver
Class.forName ("sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver");
// ODBC data source name
String dsn = "jdbc:odbc:" + pathToDatabase;
String user = "admin";
String password = "";
con = DriverManager.getConnection(dsn, user, password);
...I hope you know where I'm going with this and if you know the answer to.
Thx

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