Jvmti, jdi and tool development

We're building a suite of monitoring tools that will help us inspect and manage our enterprise-class app. We currently have working an instrumenting interface (via mbeans) that uses javassist to instrument bytecode; this tool runs as an agent within the app's vm using the java.lang.instrument package -- no native code involved. However, the next aspect of the tool suite is a more sophisticated "inspector" that will offer debugging-like facilities: method tracing, local variable inspection, thread inspection, etc.
We prototyped a version using jdi and that works fine. However, my impression is that an agent using jdi must run in a separate vm (attaching to the monitored vm via one of the jdi connectors). Is this correct? We would like our inspection agent to run in the monitored app's vm; does this mean we must write our inspection tool using the native jvmti interface (i.e. deploy it as a native library)?
Intuition tells me we must write the inspector in C, judging from the examples I've found. Your help is appreciated.
Thanks, david

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