K8T vs. K8V

Greetings all.
I'm building myself a new Athlon 64 3200+ system and I'm undecided on the motherboard between the MSI K8T-Neo and the Asus K8V Deluxe. Both have received decent reviews and the prices and performance of each board are nearly identical, but the Asus board seems to be a bit more popular. As I see it, the main advantages of the Asus board are the included Wi-Fi (I already have a wireless setup so I don't really care about that), the BIOS recovery features, and the fact that "Cool n Quiet" apparently works on this board whereas it doesn't on the MSI board. I'm not an overclocker and both boards appear to be very stable at the default speeds.
The MSI board comes with round cables, which I like, and I'm planning to get a MSI FX 5900 video card (I have my reasons for this) so I thought it might be good to have the video and board from the same manufacturer.
Can anyone tell me if the newer BIOSes on the K8T-Neo address the problems with Cool n' Quiet yet? What problems have been addressed in BIOS releases since 1.0? Also, has anyone had problems upgrading the BIOS on the K8T? I've heard of serious BIOS upgrading problems on other MSI boards. Any other insights or stability issues you can share that may help me decide would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Cougs72

Cool n Quiet works begin BIOS 1.1 and you also need to install the Processor Dirver from AMD.com to enable it CnQ
well, it is good to have the same motherboard and graphics card from the same manufacturer, but it is also ok to use the graphics on others board
hmm, why not get the 5950 instead of 5900?

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Locked Frequency on Promise SATA/PATA Controller on K8T Neo FIS2R?

We all know that there is no PCI lock on any K8T800. However, this link to an Athlon 64 info page on Mushkin's website declares that the Promise contoller on the Asus K8V board has a "locked" frequency. You'll have to scroll down to the heading "The boards currently most in demand for the Athlon64 are:" and read the *.
Question number 1, does the K8T Neo have an identical Promise controller to the Asus K8V (I think it does)? Question number 2, is it even possible for any SATA/PATA controller to "lock" it's frequency since it's on a PCI bus? Question number 3, can anyone verify that this frequency is locked or not?
I know there are software tools out there to check the hypertransport speed, etc. but is there a tool that could test the speed at the controller? If this link from Mushkin is true, then you would be crazy to overclock on anything but the Promise controller given the history of this board scrambling hard drives when overclocked.

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Originally posted by Jocko
Hey, now thats interesting, I may backup, and try to OC again.
If thats your pic, I hope this isn't a fishy story, is the fish in the pic edited with Photoshop
Cheers
jocko
Actually, it's a 4.5 pound Smallmouth Bass I caught at Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia last March. It was taken with a digital camera and I had to shrink down the size to fit here, but no editing was done. It's the real deal. Almost worthy of a citation, missed it by a half pound or a half inch.

MSI K8T NEO-FSR, reporting CPU @ 50c~ at bootup?

Hello, I just replaced my Asus K8V SE Deluxe with a K8T Neo-FSR because of some RAM issues with the Asus, RAM is sorted out fine now with the K8T, at first with the Asus, I was using the stock HSF with the stock thermal compound on it, when I transferred it over to the K8T, I put some Arctic Silver 5, when I booted up, it was reading the CPU (Idle) at around 50c, when before with the Asus I was getting around 36c readings, why is this? I reapplied the arctic silver 5 thinking that was the issue, but it is still the same..anyone know if this is a bug or what? I touch the heatsink, and it's not even WARM..
Btw, my CPU is a Athlon 64 3000+

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Yea, on MBM5, it's still around 45c on Idle, I guess the sensors are just off, right? Or should I get a replacement?
Depends on the ambient temperature, but that's what I typically get.
weird..how bout on load?
and btw, did you post at tournament.com before?

K8T Neo won't post

I bought the following components to build myself a new computer:
AMD 64 3200+
MSI K8T Neo
2 x 512 MB Corsair Value RAM
ATI Raedon 9800 Pro
I used my old SuperFlower 420W PSU for my new computer. After I assembled all parts I pressed the power switch … the system had power (all fans worked etc) but nothing else happened. All 4 LED’s of the D-Bracket were red (CPU damaged or not installed correctly). I checked all connections and I tried it again 3 times. Nothing changed. After that I disconnected all cables and after about 2 hours I decided to try it again. This time I used my old GeForce 2 MX instead of the Raedon and I only connected the power cable to the Mainboard. It worked …. the system booted, all 4 leds green and I was in the BIOS. I let the system run for about 10 minutes before I turned it off again. I thought that my PSU isn’t powerful enough for my system so I decided to buy a new one. I bought an Enerxmax 460 W PSU and installed it but now I had the same problem again … all LED’s red. I disconnected one component after the other to see if I can solve the problem like this. No result. After I removed and reattached the main power cable again a few times the system suddenly worked again. After a short while however the problem reappeared.
I think the Mainboard is broken. Any other thoughts on this issue?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Scipio

as per the manual, is the power button blinking twice about every 2 seconds? i've run into that on another forum with a user and i can't remember the page, but early in the manual it talks about this condition and you will have 4 red lights as well from what i recall on the dlink when it's doing this..the recommendation is to unplug the power cord and plug it back in within 5 seconds and it's supposed to 'refresh" the system.
otherwise, remember that because the memory controller is on the processor die,what appears to be a cpu error can also be a memory error...i had one of these last night when i was switching my memory sticks from 1 and 2..to 1 and 3 on recommendation from some other users as working better...i had put in the sticks while the case was standing up and hadn't quite seated one memory stick even though the notches were indeed up on either end so i thought it was fine..i laid down the case and pushed down the ends of the stick, booted and all lights came up green.
in terms of the memory sticks..i went one and 2 because
a) msi says it can run in either 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 configuration.
b) it was running fine except it wouldn't boot into my cas 3 programmed timings on 2 corsair pc4000 sticks unless i put a stick with faster timings in , then rebooted and changed the cas to 3..then shut off and put the corsair sticks back in.
turns out at least that with the pc4000 sticks in 1 and 3 slots, i can run cas 2.5..have not tried cas2 but..i can tell you in slots 1 and 2, the system would not run cas 2 or cas 2.5.. same case in the asus K8V i had until saturday..when i tried to run cas 2.5, the system went blooey and corrupted the bios!

MSI K8T Neo2 F vs. MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR

Hi there !
I have an amd Athlon XP 3200+ overheating problem, and contacted the technical support of the shop where the processor and CPU was coming from.
Since they do not have any XP 3200+ to replace mine, they propose me to replace fro free :
- the XP 3200+ by an AMD Athlon 64 3200+
- my actual MSI K7N2 delta ILSR by an MSI K8T Neo2 F
... and this for free.
Since I do not know this new motherboard that has been proposed, I'd like to have advice on if this is a good deal ?!?
My actual system has :
- an Aluminium case with 2x 12cm FAN's
- 2 IDE hard drives
- 1 SATA hard drive
- TWINX Corsair XMS 2x256MB PC 3200L (Extreme low latency)
- an AGP 8x video card
- An Antec True Power 480W.
will the new motherboard fit with this configuration?
Many thanks for your input !

Not really, unless you really want to oc your cpu. The K8T boards aren't that good in OC-ing. But still, some is possible and you'll be sure that the board is as steady as a rock.
For a moment I thought you were talking about a Neo board ... but I just saw it's a Neo2. That means Socket 939 -> dual channel RAM.
The only risk you have now, is that your RAM won't work in dual channel with the CPU. But that's not really a board-problem, more a CPU/RAM-controller related problem. But then, it's still a great offer and chances are good that it will work. If you run into any trouble, RAM-related, just flash bios to version 1.9 and you will probably be just fine.

K8t neo2-FIR lock ups

hey i'm posting for my friend who recently got a new setup for his computer
antec 400W power supply
3200+
k8t neo2-FIR
sapphire radeon 9600XT
512 meg major brand ram
2 80 gig harddrives
onboard sound/lan
i'm not too sure of the psu specs
the computer (with latest driver updates) has a tendency of locking up where the screen will just go black at random periods
no matter the situation and we will have to restart it (we tried in optimizeed bios settings and default)
the computer when i was there ran fine in video games except for the locking up part
i'm not sure what the problem is nor does my friend any help is appreciated

Run Memtest86 and find out which RAM models he uses. Likely as not it is going to be part of the issue. See if you can read the lable on that PSU as well and find out how many amps are on the 12v rail.

K8T Neo2 V2.0 SATA-Problem

Hi Folks,
I got a "problem" with my K8T Neo2 V2.0. At first I had 3 IDE-drives, but I needed a new DVD-burner to read double-layer discs. So I bought a SATA-Drive, plugged it in and it worked good. (VIA 5.13A hyperions). After that I decided to go for a new, bigger, faster harddisk .. also SATA. I wanted to profit from the speed so I made a clean install of Windows XP on that new SATA-drive. BIOS was set to IDE and the Windows-setup recognized the drive correctly without an driver from floppy. Then I used the newly released 5.14A Hyperions and the strangeness began. Suddenly the safe-removal-icon for the SATA drives in the taskbar was gone, no more hot-plug capabillity I thout. I wanted to install a game from DVD and I realized darn slow read-speed from the new DVD-drive. I read only with 3x-speed and double-layer DVDs with 2x. I made a repair-install of Windows XP an rolled back to the 5.13A Hyperions and now my safe-removal-icon and the normal read-speed is back - but now sometimes I get an "program-lag". When I close a programm and want to open an other, or just a menu or something, sometimes the PC don't react for 1-2 seconds.
Any suggestions? Any knowledge about SATA-behavior on the K8T Neo2 V2.0? (or the VIA Hyperions?)

Well here are some specs:
Athlon 64 X2 4200+
2x 512 MB DDR400 RAM, Infineon
1x IDE HDD, Maxtor 6Y120P0
1x SATA HDD, Seagate ST3250410AS16
1x IDE DVD-Drive Pioneer A06S
1x SATA DVD-Recorder Plextor PX-810SA
Creatice SB Live! 5.1
PSU Enermax 350 Watt (EG365AX-VE / 3,3V=32A; 5V=32A, 12V=26A)
Windows XP Pro with SP2 installed on SATA-HDD
The Hyperions from the MSI-Driver CD also don't work (same no-hot-plug-problem).
In the BIOS the SATA-channels are configured as IDE, I never needed a driver floppy for XP-install.
The system event-log only shows one failure "loading of boot- or systemdriver viamraid failed". When I had my old XP install on the IDE drive (with installed 5.14A hyperions) the VIA V-Raid utility was installed and could be started, the hot-plug-ability was working as I plugged in the DVD-Recorder. Then I installed XP on the new SATA-HDD (with plugged in dvd-recorder) and the problems came up. Also now no via vraid-utility is installed.

MSI K8T Neo2 F 939 pin, any known video or other driver issues?

Using a MSI K8T Neo2 F, AMD 64 3500+ winchestor, 1gb DDR400 3200 memory, New WD 740GD SATA HDD, ATI 9800 GT Pro 256 videocard. Fresh XP Pro SP2 install with all the update, latest Via 4 in 1s.
Seems like my problems began when I upgraded video drivers to either Cat 4.9s or 5.1s (ATI Radeon 9800 GT Pro 256) in order to get Doom3 running as it wouldn't run on the v 3.4 drivers that came on the cd-rom with the videocard.
HL2 would play fine with those old drivers. After upgrading to newer drivers, HL2 and Doom 3 (which now at least plays) won't play for more than 5 minutes yet other games will. The same videocard (perhaps 3 months old now) with cat 4.9 drivers ran perfectly in my old system so I know the videocard's still OK.
I can use a restore point prior to installing the newer drivers BUT that doesn't solve the problem as to why I can't use the newer drivers.
I've heard where some have problems with XP SP2 vs SP1. Anyone here have opinions on that?
I have spare HDDs so I can use one with another fresh XP install, even try just SP1 if that'd matter? Doing that would eliminate hardware as being an issue.
It's now not just games either, it'll crash doing Turbotax and other (not demanding) times when not gaming. Games put alot of demand on any system.
Have also tryed another PSU, now an Antec Truepower 430W vs a cheaper brand 550W. Not heat related as I've tryed this with a house fan blowing on high directly at the mobo, cpu side (cover's off).
I've been trying to solve this for about a month now and it's very annoying.
I ran Memtest for 8 hours last night, no errors so the memory's OK. I'm now running another test program called Prime95 via advice from someone at Anandtech.com. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=32&threadid=1513208
If ANYONE here has seen anything like this relating to this motherboard (which I suspect might be a problem?), please share your thoughts.
Thanks

Can you explain where I'll find "VPU recover (adapter settings)"? In display settings or ATIs cat. control center, guessing? I'm at work now but will check that soon.
AGP fast-write has been off.
As for going back to older video drivers, it did seem OK with the old Cat. v3.4 drivers that came on the videocards driver cd-rom and played HL2 fine with those drivers HOWEVER, Doom3 doesn't run with those older drivers and needs the newer drivers to function.
When it crashes, the screen usually goes to black (not BSOD). Sometimes it'll just freeze with skipping sound for a few seconds before going black, sometimes it'll reboot but usually I just reboot it. Can't 3 finger solute to task manager or Esc out of it either.

Dual channel memory mixing on a K8T Neo2

Hey all,
I have a K8T Neo2, Winchester core 3000+ and had it running with 2 TwinMOS 512 MB-DDR400 sticks in dual-channel mode. Recently I decided to add RAM, but to invest in a more solid brand. So I bought a Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 set and plugged it in. AFAIK the right combination in the board would be the have one set in slots 1 & 3 and the other set in 2 & 4. So far the board will only post with the Corsairs in 1 & 3 (and not with the Twinnies there). But if it posts, the clock is set to 333 MHz (which is an issue of the Winchester core I understood), but more importantly the system becomes unstable: reboots etc. Even stranger is the fact that sometimes after POST I get 8 beeps from the BIOS, which suggests that the Video RAM or framebuffer is defective. Is this somehow related to the RAM I installed? Is the framebuffer mapped to the RAM at bootup for example?
I did try to change the command rate to 2T, didn't seem to help. Bios version is 3.3 by the way. Thanks for any help.
Oh maybe the vid card specs are also relevant: Sapphire Radeon 9800 pro with 128mb. Power supply is Tagan 580W so unlikely to be the problem

Quote from: Tiresmoke on 03-November-05, 23:54:30
Have you tested each stick of RAM with Memtest86 yet? You may have a bad stick. You also may want to try the new set in a different socket sety. Another words if it was in 2/4 then try it in 1/3. If the timings are different on the two sets try setting to the slowest settings of the two. You may have to exchange the set for the twin to the old set just to make it work as mixing RAM rarely works well.
Good idea on the memtesting, I'll do that tonight. I was afraid that the mixing wouldn't work well, but I thought at least if for each channel I used the same pair it wouldn't matter. Practice might indeed prove that as being a wrong assumption

Boot and OS install issues with K8T Neo2 F

Can anybody shed light on my difficulties?
Assembled a new computer yesterday. First power-on produced nothing except 3 (2,3,4) red leds on d-bracket. After reading several postings, tried the following:
Swapped around memory modules;
Did repeated JBAT1 data clears (NB if you happen to get a board with the V1.0 user guide, note that the JBAT1 diagram appears upside down - pin one is closest to the SATA slots (page 2 - 24). The MSI downloadable user guide (V1.2) has that error corrected (page 2-25)
The only memory config that doesn’t produce three red leds is with one 512 stick installed in channel 3 (green).
Can now get to the point where Windows XP boots to the point where install is about to start, and then advises me that it can’t find a hard disk!
Have dis/reconnected the sata cable (using different cables) and checked the bios setup but can find nothing strange except that setup refers to the hard disk as BBS 0 (RAID) ST3120827AS - the reference to “RAID” worries me.

Paul, there have been people here that have had to strip their system down to the bare minimum hardware to get windows to complete the install, so try that. I had trouble completing my windows install as long as I was trying to install the RAID drivers at F6. So I ignored the prompt at F6 and windows installed fine. Then I installed my RAID drivers afterward.
These things are extremely sensitive when it comes to memory. I had the same problem you are having. Mine was cured by a BIOS upgrade to ver. 3.3. The simplest way to do it is to use "Live Watch". It will locate BIOS ver 3.3 for you, and download it to a floppy along with the flash program, and make it bootable all in one easy step. Then all you have to do is boot from the floppy you just made, and follow the instructions. Very simple.
I've read all these stickies and posts now going way back, and IMHO anyone who wants to use RAM thats not on the list should do so at their own risk. Interestingly enough, the recommended list from MSI is not the same as the list from AMD. And the memory manufacturers have their own lists of RAM that they say will work with this board. I'm using 2x 512 sticks of GEIL from the MSI recommended list.
Check out these links to see what I mean. By the way, if you haven't noticed, most of the older posts about memory problems are with respect to the K8T Neo FIS2R which is a socket 754 single channel board, so although they are similar, they're not the same. My point is just because his K8TNeo FIS2R works fine with brand "X" RAM doesn't mean your K8T NEO2 FIR will.
http://www.msi.com.tw/html/products/mainboard/testreport_pdf/6702E/memory.pdf
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProductline=MSI+%28Micro+Star%29%2B+Motherboards&mfr=MSI+%28Micro+Star%29&cat=RAM&model=MS-6702E+%28K8T+Neo2-FIR%29&submit=Go
http://www.mushkin.com/epages/mushkin.storefront/EN/product/991140
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Athlon_64_Unbuffered_DIMM_AVL.pdf
http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_9460%5e9461,00.html?1094454813
Good luck!

Questions on a newly purchased K8T Master2 Far m/b

Hi,
I just purchased a K8T Master2 Far m/b at a local computer store for $89.99. They had two of them sitting on their markdown table. They where in turned inside out Asus K8N-DL m/b boxes. In other words, the box labels where on the inside. They could of been replaced w/the Asus's, though they appear to be brand new.
The K8T Master2 Far has the two HSF's, the HSF back plates, the external USB/Sound slot adapter, and the rear I/O back plate. It has no manual, CD, or cables. The manual and CD files can be downloaded, so that is no problem. I have plenty of cables lying around.
Some questions:
1. The manual says the m/b supports the Opteron 244 and up. Can I use a 240 or 242 on it? I also read to make sure to use Opterons which have the following last letters in their p/n's. ( AL, AU, AK, AT ) Any reason?
2. The two HSF's that came w/it are different from each other, as well as is their mountings. One is a direct screw on while the other is a plastic clamping. The m/b has the plastic mating clamp for it mounted on only one socket. The other socket is just a direct screw on. They both have the back plates. I think I read somewhere that MSI is/was shipping the K8T Master2 Far w/these two different HSF's for some reason. I also read that you can use Intel Xeon HSF's on this m/b. Should I replace the HSF's that came w/it or are they OK? Will the HSF's that come w/the retail Opterons also work?
3. The m/b is a rev. 1 model. What is the difference between the rev. 1 and rev. 2 m/b's?
4. What's the fastest Opteron cpu that can be used on this m/b? I read the X2's can't be used.
5. I noticed that MSI hasn't updated the BIOS in a long time. Any word on any future BIOS update or is the m/b totally dead in regards to any further support?
6. Finally any problems running Windows XP x64 on this m/b?
I plan to add the K8T Master2 Far to my DC (distributed computing) network.
Thx.

I use 2 Opterons 240 on it, no problem at all.
For the mounting of the coolers, read the manual.
BIOS 1.10 or 1.20 are the best versions to use.
MSI is working on a new BIOS as we speak, but it's not finished.
As for the revision, as far as I know it only comes in Ver1....
You are mixing the other board, that's the K8T-Master-2FAR7, but has a different MS-xxxx number and does support the Dual-core CPU's, but there are big problems with the board when using just 1 CPU, MSI is working on a better BIOS to fix 1 CPU support.
Win64 runs without problems at all.

My Unofficial K8t Neo Guide

Disclaimer: You try any and all troubleshooting at YOUR OWN RISK!!
Here is my unofficial guide to the K8t Neo fisr2 If you Like It give it a thumbs up so it will stick out. I will warn you it is long and I will edit off and on.
to add as needed.
first I'll start off with components,
CASE..you will need an atx case with good cooling a few extra fans like a blowhole at the top can help cooling, also bundle cables and power leads
so that they don't interfere with airflow.
MOTHERBOARD,...This is based on the K8TNEO series, when you attach it to your case make sure that is is mounted to risers to keep it from contacting case, they are usually small brass pins, also make sure that all the mounting screw are secure and in place, this will prevent the PCB from flexing and cracking as you install components, there should be around 9 or so screws, that usually go into the riser pins or raised case mounting points,don't forget to use those fiber or plastic insulated washers. These should be the only case contact point to the mobo other then the back plate with all the usb, net jacks etc..
Also use all of the mount points you can..if not you can crack mobo putting in cards etc...
CPU...Athlon64 processor2800+, 3000+, 3200+, or a 3400+, all 754 pin chips...k8neo CAN NOT USE FX chips or Opterons. 3200,&3000 are basically the same chip, same clockspeed of 2.0 ghz but the l2 cache is different 3200 1mb...3000 512k, you may not notice the difference in many applications but will see 2~10% diff in benchmark testing, the 3000 is usually about $75 cheaper
the 2800 is a newer model an a good way to get into 64bit without high cost.
PSU.... one of the most overlooked and most important component,
that old 300 watter you have from your old duron 800 don't even try.PSU's have caused a lot of trouble with a64 systems, they use a lot of power Get a good name brand psu if you can, and make sure it is at least 400 watts and has at the minimum of 20a on 12v, also look at combined total wattage
the psu must have a 20 pin connector and a 4 Pin( Square) Connector, and there is Only 1, Called the+12V 4 Pin Processor Connector.
some of the recommended brands are enermax,and antec.
Here is the reason most problems are the psu
amd64 uses 12v power, Intel chips used a lot of 5v power.
so until now most big psu's pushed 5 v not 12v
almost everything in your computer uses 12v except ram (3.3V)
AMD 64 and motherboard =12a @12V
so your already at 12A with no fan,s no hd, no CD,no DVD ,no mobo chip-set , no mem, no sound..etc
so what happens is your mem gets starved for power and then gives out errors,in your data, which = corrupt sata,or it fails to post. .
MEMMORY...Another big trouble spot,not just with the MSI board but with Via chip-set, and or the A64 memory controller.
DDR non ecc- single channel 400 is baseline although slower chips also work, The CPU's memory unit only supports 4 banks total so in order to use three sockets at least two of the memory sticks have to be 1 bank,.one bank or two bank chips look similar so check specs, dual bank chips usually have chips on the back as well. mem should match type and speed. if you run into problems try going into bios and limiting ram to 333.mem should match type and speed.
(edited out till i find more info [STRIKEOUT] if using two mem sticks it is best to use slots 1 and 3,[/STRIKEOUT])
edit :ok tiresmoke just replied so have a look. "One thing that often does not get addressed. I had a couple Blue Screens early on. Here is how I fixed it. I run my RAM in sockets 1 and 3. 1 and 2 gave a little instability.Yes I decided to keep mine in slot 1/3 but I did test in 1/2 since I changed Bios. Typically slot 1/3 can slow you down but it did not with mine so best to say that difference RAM will give different symptoms. Try combinations to find what works best for you."
LOL Keep in mind that Jocko uses 3 sticks of dual bank RAM and according to AMD they only support 4 banks total. Jocko has 6 so you do the math.
you can check msi's website for compatible ram, but be careful it can be confusing,
they list by part numbers,
but some known configurations that work are:
I would stay away from corsair xms mem right now many people have problems.
corsair and kingston owners may want to look here
AMD 3000+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Corsair CMX DDR400 @2-3-2-5
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin Pro DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Corsair Value Select DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 512 - Geil Golden Dragon DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6 (2.7V)
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingmax DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston DDR400 @ 3-3-3-8
1 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
1 x 512 - Kingston ValueRam (KVR400X64C3A) DDR400? @ (Defaults?)
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 1 DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 2 DDR433 @ (defaults?)
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
1 x 1024 - OCZ EL DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
BIOS 1.3b2
2 x 512 OCZ EL DDR433 @ 2-3-3-7
AMD 3200+ systems...
BIOS 1.1
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 1 Black DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Apacer DDR400 @ 3-4-4-8 (2.5v)
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin X DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
1 x 1024 - Corsair TwinX DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Crucial DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Elixer OEM DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 1024 - GeIL GoldenDragon DDR400? @ defaults
2 x 512 - Geil Value Series 512MB DDR 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX KX DDR433 @ 2-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5 (2.75V)
2 x 256 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Twinx CLPRO DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2x512- Pny Verto DDR433 @defualts
AMD 3400+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Kingmax (MPXC22D-38KT3R) DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 Black DDR433 @ 2-3-2-5
you may have to email you mem manufacturer and manually set timings and voltages to get your memory working.
HARD DRIVES......Here you have alot of choices, basically two categories, SATA and PATA(IDE). There are many brands and speeds, IDE drives come in different speeds, such as ata33, ata66, ata 100, ata 133 for hard drives, the 33,100,133, being theoretical maximum transfer rating MB/sec.
newer ata(IDE)hard drives are ata100 which is ultra 5, and ata133 ,ultra6 is ,
PIO mode is the standard data transfer mode without the ultra enhancements, the fastest being 16.66 mb/sec. ultra 2 is 33 mb/sec . So when i say my CD,DVD, and DVD are ultra 2 it means they transfer at a maximum of 33 mb/sec, and my Maxtor hardrives are ultra 6 and have a maximum transfer of133 mb/sec. my old zip100 transfers at a max of 16 mb/sec since its in pio mode. Note these are maximum speeds, my hardrive transfers more like 65 mb/sec sustained according to SIS Sandra.
That is why SATA 150 is such a big deal, vs say a Western digital ata100
SATA is a different interface all together and can transfers closer to its maximum
theoretical speed. BUT the pci bus itself is limited to 133 mb/sec so an add-on card
should never be able to reach over 133, regardless, of SCSI,IDE, or SATA
so on the k8t neo you have some choices. With the IDE you can use, IDE1,2, or 3
IDE1&2 are ata100. ) to attach use a 80pin round or flat cable, the first slot goes into the mobo, the middle connector is for a slave or should be left empty, use the end for master, or single drive. you must also setup jumpers for hd or cds.
The master is primary unit and the slave is secondary unit, for each channel.
Or use the Cable Select jumper and USUALLY the BIOS will select the drive for you.
IDE1 & 2 is ata100, or 133 depending on board if using for only 2 drives put them on different channels
...ie master on IDE 1, and master on IDE 2 . that way they will have maximum bandwidth. especially for disk to disk copies or burning
IDE3 RAID is ata133, or can be raid 0 or 1 by the promise chip. 0 being striped for performance,1 being mirrored for safety, mirror only protects hd from failure,not viruses,or corruption for that you need a backup or as i prefer a drive image program such as accronis trueimage..linux compatible.and Norton ghost.you will first have to enable the promise chip in the bios, then you have to load drivers by hitting F6 during windows installation, and insert floppy drive, yes you will need a floppy, at least for initial setup. If you want to set up raid you will have to do that first before loading windows,by hitting ctrl+F (read quick user's guide Serial ata raid, serial ata) only hd's can use ide3.If you don't have enough IDE slots you can add on pci card with one or two more headers for up to 4 more drives, I added a Maxtor ultra ata133, since i have 5 idehd's and 3 DVD/cds.
SATA, here you have two choices, use the Promise chip set or the Via. Either one or both can be set to raid0 or 1, see users guide to setup, You will also have to enable them first in bios, and F6 and load floppy drivers to use in windows install, or load drivers in windows if using an existing install. either chip-set can be set for raid, in the manual, opinions are that the Via is faster, but you wont have a HD LED activity indicator light, The promise will have a HD light, but is slightly slower.
Also note that SATAs don't OC as well as IDE hard drives, they can even crash and loose data.
always make a backup of your computer, and remember raid 1 does nothing for virus, or contaminated installs.
SOUND....Here you have a few choices, On board or Card, unfortunately not both, yet.(UPDATE Bios Version 1.5 and above will fix this)... If using a card there have been some issues with Audigy 1 cards, but there may be a cure in this threadhttps://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=46849&sid=( Moved to stickies) audigy2 and 2zs cards work fine as do turtle beach.
on-board sound is not as high definition and uses some CPU cycles, so a card might be advantageous to gamers.
REALTEK GIGABIT...Is the on-board Ethernet, you will need to load drivers once in windows, it has caused some problems booting, as it can be set to a boot device as well. you will get a message "failed to boot press any key."..then "ntdlr error"...to fix this you may need to hit the key combination during boot to set it up, it will bring you to a menu, you need to set boot order, i recommend setting it to bios, and you can adjust or disable message and time length it is displayed.
VIDEO CARDS- You should install an agp 8x directx9 video card for best performance. Ati has better directx support so is better for gaming, but Nvida has better OpenGL so if you want to do 3d in Linux, you have better luck with Nvida.
When you set up windows, install via 4-1 drivers first, then the video drivers, check video manufacturer's website for updated drivers. make sure any extra power leads are plugged in. In bios Agp should be fast write enabled, and
if you are using 1024 of ram aperture size to 256, but check 3dmark to see which setting is faster.
BIOS- NO BIOS INSTALLED This is a message that you see during boot up from the promise on-board raid saying that it found no drives attached to its SATA or IDE channels so it's not installed the BIOS.This IS NOT a problem or anything to worry about!
jumping Bios reset jumper, be careful, make sure power is off. jump it and return it to the original position. If you power on with jumper in reset position you can erase your bios...requiring a Return to Manufacturer Authorization(RMA)
I have had no problems using windows updating to the latest bios ,It cured some issues, such as firewire ports, sound blaster audigy1 troubles,tweaked temps displayed,and so on. but be sure to have a backup of original bios disk. I have heard new 1.8 beta bios cures Newcastle temp problems.
some good settings are.. SMART enabled this will warn you of hard disk failure,System bios cacheble and shadow ram are more for older computers and should be set to disable.boot to os2- disable...memory setting vary by card and some even need to be set manually so check with manufacturer or get familiar with cmos reset jumper.(just be sure to have power off)...plug and play os to disable(more of a win 98 thing) disable serials and parallel ports if you don't need them, as with on-board sound firewire etc. this is just a few pointers the rest is a more personal thing, but i have heard turbo setting causes problems and is best left to fast, and dynamic oc'ing is similar use at your own risk
USB keyboard don't forget to enable USB in the BIOS. This caused some problems when installing XP. Without USB enabled in BIOS when you come to the "Hit any key to proceed" the install will fail with the ntldr error
POWER SAVINGS...Having trouble getting fans or case lights to shut off on standby set to S3, then disable apm, and be sure to set a wakeup event..such as wake from usb, or keyboard command. I have agp boot disable, but depends on card.
Want to know more about bios, and what those settings are? click this link
http://www.rojakpot.com/(eb1mg5zatgcf5r55lv5no155)/default.aspx?location=9
CORE CENTER....Another personal choice, I like it and use it a lot, to increase and decrease fsb without going through bios. the NB fan sensor should read 0 unless you plug a fan onto it, personally i have an 80mm antec and it doesn't read it, but i tried a old CPU fan and it worked fine.
COOL AND QUIET Another personal choice, I don't use it because some people have had there CPUs power down in the middle of games, and such
(it goes down to 800 MHz) others had small bugs in there system that went away when they disabled it. But some like it and use it a lot. Good for energy savings.
want to get your boot time down
start by selecting OS drive as first in boot sequence, you can always change bios when you want to boot from floppy or CD(which isn't often).disable floppy drive seek
then clean out your startup folder under rt click explore start button.
try and get services set to auto down to about 25. defrag your hdrive routinely,
. ditch wall paper, and get rid of windows startup screen.(msconfig,boot.ini.and check noguiboot). keep your drivers updated
if you can find it you can use then try bootvis, but microsoft doesn't support it anymore.Programs ..some useful free utilities are listed below, check goggle, until i make links for them.
SiS Sandrahttp://www.sisoftware.net/, a good all around benchmark,burn in and, info display
3DMARK.http://www.futuremark.com/download/.Mostly a Video tester, good for checking OC though.
Microsoft Memory testerms memtester
+86memtest.http://www.memtest86.com/..and Prime95http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htmvery good mem testers, and tests for stability
spybot search and destroy, http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=homeand
Lavasoft's ad-aware http://www.lavasoftusa.comgot to have for house cleaning.
atitool, http://atitool.ocfaq.com/oc ap for ati cards,click find max core let it go for 15min or so,then set back to default, and click find max mem...for 15min or so, and now you have the max you can set your video card too.(but set safety limits before manually setting)
[STRIKEOUT]mbm5 mbm5 link good alternative temp readings to corecenter.[/STRIKEOUT]
good program but discontinued.
OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMS
Norton utilities, good all around disk and OS utility
Norton Internet secuirity, or similar firewall and virus protector
Norton ghost, or other drive image software fantastic for backups
BF1942...lol just fun
HOME NETWORKING I will add this part because of additional posing of errors
dealing with USB Broadband routers...try using on board realtek or other Ethernet connection it will save your sanity.
well i have a real poor mans router setup for you
2 Ethernet slots, one for for broadband router and one to share.
if you only want one other computer, use a crossover cable, otherwise, use a hub or switch(better) and let Internet connection wizard and home networking on your machines work their magic,want a firewall download some software there are even, fairly decent free ones.the speed of the card isn't important because broadband still isn't over 10mb/sec yet, so blow the dust off that card in the closet and put it to work.or if your really brave or really cheap you can try to use the usb input from broadband, and on board ether, or firewire port, to link computers
Trouble shooting
for total no boot/post failure
I know you may know how to build a computer, and i know this is basic, so bear with me here, but at this point you have to do a methodical by the book check list.
revision
A: when you first install your motherboard make sure it does not contact case,
use all nine mounting points, make sure that your case either has built in risers, or use the small brass standoffs, and don't forget the fiber washers.
when you installed your CPU you:
1 ___you properly handle equipment so no static damage can occur, (properly grounded)
2____.you fully lift the CPU ziff socket arm up, orient the gold triangle marking arrow,pins and it easily dropped into socket, with no bent pins ,
3 ___ backer plate mounted carefully no missing pieces of the board flying off, ( i have seen people launch capacitors, and the like )
4 ____obviously you removed the plastic thermal pad cover, and heatsink was evenly locked down, and fully seated, and correctly plugged into mobo cpufan1.
and you fully removed old thermal pad/grease and applied new artic silver, or new heatsink with plastic on pad,you didn't reuse old paste or pad.
memory
5 _____memory stick(not sticks, at this point you just want to get it working, not full blast with a gig of ram etc)is fully seated and properly oriented in slot, and is 184 pin ddr non-registered , non ecc ram , and you have tried different non corsair, non twinmoss, brands that have been known to work. and/ or
tried to set manually mem speed/voltage for some models of corsair, twinmoss, and kingston)
6.____ plug in only power switch pins 6,8and power led to jfp1, pins 2,4 and they are turned correctly,
7. ____your new psu has the 20 pin and square 4 pin power connector plugged in to jpw1 turned right and fully seated. and has a bare min of 18a on 12v+ rail.
8 ____your video card is fully seated an locked down,also securely screwed in.
9 ____your floppy drive cable iss facing right way (pin1 is matched with red stripe)
10. ____you have ata cables for hd and CD set to master/slave or cs. with hard drive set as master, end of cable.
11 _____the power plugs are all fully seated, including psu rear plug,floppy ,hd, and CD.
12. _____keyboard(ps2) and mouse plugged in, monitor plugged into video card,
13 ______every thing is fully secured in case, side cover is off.
14 ______CMOS jumper is set 1,2 keep data, all usb stuff is unplugged, except for dbracket.
power it up, one beep, fans spin, in psu and CPU, and video card,
you get no bios found error,(promise adapter not finding satas..no worries)
or hit Del to go into bios, set boot order, and .......
.........your now at the end of the road, and it should by all means work,
now what i am after,
there are no bent pins, on CPU, you reapplied artic silver paste.
no loose wires,
properly applied heat sink with fan cooling,
you have tried different brands of known ,to work in an MSI k8tneo
ddr ram 1 stick at a tme.
you have tried different video cards, and in case of higher end card, the external molex power supply as plugged in,
you have tried different ata hard drives
you then have tried have set up your SATA drive correctly .
everything is securely plugged in ..fully seated and oriented the right way?
what are d-bracket error light, and any beep codes?
you have tried a different wall outlet, you have changed surge protectors,
you never hot plugged video cards, hd cables or power etc.
i know this redundant , and basic , it is not meant to be insulting , it is meant to be a checklist and rule out all basic errors and potential problems
if your mem bandwidth is slower then 3000..like 2400 this may help
Received from a user - Slow memory 1T Command fix
OK, here's what to do. Download the following ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcrs120.exe extract it, and run InstDD.exe. It'll ask to reboot, you don't need to do it right away, at least I didn't have to. Fire up WPCRSET.exe and do the following. Under startup, click on start, and under device, click enable. Now click add. The bus device and function will be 0,24, and 2. The register and data values will be the 93,08. There we have it! Enjoy everyone. I know I'm much happier now.
Here's a graphic to make it easier:
I will add more by edit, or post as needed but i should post now so it can be put to use.
I would like to Thank BAS,wonkaboy, Jocko, ethereal, Tiresmoke, Reilly, and the many others whose valued input helps solve problems.

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amd 64=12a @12V
ati 9800=7.5~10.5a @12V (assuming 90~125 watts) a max load,
a 9600 ir nvida 5200 used far less power
so your already at 18a with no fan,s no hd, no cd,no dvd ,no mobo chipset , no mem, no sound..etc
If you exclude the motherboard, memory, etc like you did there, the amd 64 draws 7.2A @ 12V.
90~125W for an ATI 9800?! [irony]Are you working for a PSU manufacturer or what?[/irony] That's just absurd.
Go read this post to get a feel for the actual power consumption: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?postid=297061&sid=#post297061

K8T Neo F1S2R No Longer Boots - Help Diagnosing

Hello,
I've had good service from my K8T Neo Athlon 64 mobo for 2 years. Today when I turned on the PC, all the fans cranked up and nothing more. The four test LEDs stayed red. No beeps, no display to the monitor. The light on one CD drive (I have 2) and the HD light come on solid at power up. According to the manual, four red LEDs at power up indicates a bad processor or processor connection and nothing more.
I removed my Audigy sound card since I know it has been known to cause boot-up problems on these boards. Still no boot.
What I need to know is if this is most likely a bad processor as stated in the manual, or something else like a bad mobo or power supply (Enermax). I don't have a spare processor, 64 bit PC, nor power supply to swap and check, so I need to know what is the best step process to resolving the problem. I'd just hate to go out and buy a new processor to find out the problem isn't the processor.
Thanks!
Buddy

UPDATE: Kudos to MSI support! I RMAed my original failed, over 2 year old K8T NEO via the MSI online support system. Shipped the K8T back to MSI on 4/11 and received a replacement on 4/26. It took only 11 business days, east coast to west coast and back.
I was having stability issues with the new K8MM-V motherboard described here https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=95656.0
in that I was unable to run my Radeon 9800 Pro at "full" hardware acceleration without crashes. I could only get stability using the onboard graphics or setting the Radeon 9800 to "low" hardware acceleration (the setting next to "none").
Pulled out the K8MM-V and installed the warranty replacement K8T NEO. The replacement K8T booted flawless, only requiring reinstallation of the Radeon 9800 Pro's Omega drivers on the first boot. I've had flawless performance with hardware graphics acceleration set at "full" with no reboots or blackouts since.
It was easy as pie to execute warranty service with MSI.
A big thank you to MSI for their fine support and for providing this forum....and a just as big thank you to all the fine folks here for offerering their expertise and help to us novices.
Buddy

Ms-k8t Neo 2 Fir

I have problem with new MS-K8T NEO 2 FIR. I am using Athlon 64 3000+ and Kingston KVR400X64C3AK2/512 set of two 256 MB PC3200 CL3 DIMMs. If I put 1 DIMM in slot 2 and second DIMM to slot 4 (as recommended from MSI for dual channel) systems hangs after turning on with one greed diode (1) on D-bracket (early chipset inicialization). If I remove DIMM from slot 4 system boots up normally (to memtest86 from CD). If I put only one 512 MB Kingston PC3200 module to slot 2 system boots up but reporting only 256 MB of RAM. DIMMs are tested in other machine (Intel P4 3GHz) without any problem. What should I do ? What is wrong - board ar processor ? Please help !!!

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Hi
I think thats one up for the flashers vs the don't flash unless you have to lot.
Sad to say I am a flasher
Jocko
:-))ermmm You don't say, you don't say. is it true about the underneath of a kilt then.
Then you ask Tiresmoke. Quote "Does Clara know about this tendancy"
Might have known it would be you Hondo.
Kilts, as Daniel O'Donnell always says when he does a little jig in his , ' 2 pairs, to be sure, to be sure', but he would, He's Irish, just like that other immigrant boy in Pennsylvania, who's really a Scot, the one that Clara keeps trying to get a proper kilt on.
cheers
jocko
:lol_anim:Sorry jocko couldn't resist the temptation above and now also below that doesn't sound good, does it.
Let the wind blow high, let the wind blow low,
Through the streets in my kilt I'll go,
All the lassies say "Hello hondo
Donald, where's your troosers?"

How to install a fresh copy of windows xp with sp2 on a msi k8t neo

My specifications:
CPU: AMD ATHLON 64 - 3000MHZ
MOTHERBOARD: MSI K8T NEO
RAM: CRUCIAL MICRON 1024MB DDR
HDD: WD 120GB ( C: 60GB, D: 60GB )
HDD: SEAGATE 4GB ( E: 4GB )
DVD: NEC 3520
CD: SONY
The system is on drive C:
primary master HDD 4GB ( on drive E: )
primary slave NONE
secondary master CDR DVD-RW
secondary slave CDR SONY
and last HDD 120GB on primary raid ( on drive C: and D: )
NONE on secondary
I have 2 floppy disks: on the first one it says G72-PRSA060, Promise 376/378 Driver, Disk 1 of 1
on the second one it says G72-VASA040, VIA SATA RAID Driver, For VT6420/VT8237, Disk 1 of 1
Can please someone tell me how to install a fresh copy of windows xp on my computer from scratch? All I know that I have to press F6 at some time and insert one of the disks but I don't know which one. And I don't know when to insert a second disk.
Thanks for helping me

Yeah. I remember when I had that board. I found the best SATA ports were the Promise ones, but...
What do you think, Tiresmoke? You had the same board too if I'm not mistaken.

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