Keeping Entity EJBs synchronized with Database

Is it possible that container managed persistance takes care of synchronizing entity beans' states with database record even if there is some external non-Java application that changes the state of the records straigth at database?
For example:
1. I map CMP entity bean to a database table's row and query it's state from J2EE client
2. I modify some data releted to that particular bean in the database: change some values by command line (SQL+ at the case of Oracle) on the row in the table in the database
3. I query again the same bean's state
Now, is the state I will get at the section 3 the same I got at section 1? If so, then CMP hasn't synchronized the bean's state and I get wrong value when reading it at second time.
Can I automatize this synchronization task some how? This is very important issue when trying to take J2EE architecture in use on old legacy database systems which still have their own non-J2EE clients running.

So if the entity bean is not used in a transaction it's state will not be re-read from the database, correct?There is no such thing.... if you invoke an entity bean in an unspecified transaction context I believe the spec defines it as a non-deterministic situation but in general the state will be re-read(but why would you want to do that?).
Has the container do a database query for each read of B bean state?This is a vendor specific issue.... it depends on your EJB container provider, I know some vendors have all kinds of configurations to optimize these situations.
Which are all the situations when an entity bean's state is (re-)read from the database?In general the state will be re-read at the first time a bean is invoked in a single transaction, but vendors offer a lot of mechanisms to configure all kinds of "sunchronization strategies".
Do you really mean that every time I read a bean's state it will be the same with the database?
Is there any exceptions? The important thing to notice is that we have to assume that state of the database
changes all the time by non-J2EE legacy clients. You should be able to control this with the locking mechanisms(as mentioned before) that your container and RDBMS provides. in your situation, it sounds like pessimistic concurrency control would be appropriate.

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