LCD Monitors & Editing

Just demo'd CS4 and notice a returning issue with LCD Monitor Editing. I have two nice LCDS; one 1920X1200 and one 1680x1050. Standard video has ghosted vertical lines (faint) and then when I play AVCHD from another program, the lines are distinct and horizontal, prominent during movement. I am sure this is related to interlacing somehow. My Sony tube TV has no issue.
1- Am I missing something or can you just not edit with an LCD monitor?
2- Is it my video card?
3- Will an HD LCD TV do the same?
Thanks

1. No, not for grading.
2. No.
3. Yes.

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It is my understanding that Higher than HD Resolution is good for multi-tasking (but DVD movies get stretched and therefore the quality of your videos goes down.), but is it good for video editing with Premiere Elements 7 or 8? Should I be looking at monitors with 1920 x 1080 resolution?

If you run in anything other than the LCD's native resolution your graphics card will be resampling the image. This inevitably distorts the image as pixels must be discarded to create the display. Typically this softens the image.
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Just wanted to get your thoughts/opinion(s) as writers in using FrameMaker on LCD monitors. Specifically, I've used word processing and desktop publishing programs on CRT monitors for years. I've never had any problems whatsoever. Recently, my employer provided me with a 20 inch widescreen LCD monitor. I'm now having a difficult time with it because of the higher resolution (e.g., headaches and the like). As you all know, a lower resolution only distorts or stretches desk on LCD monitors (which is why I guess I've avoided these monitors for so long). Please note, I have bad eyesight and wanted to see if others may have ideas to address this issue. I've given the monitor two weeks and things haven't improved. I'm just concerned/frustrated because I know the world is going in the direction of LCD monitors.
For a solution, I've thought about a square like LCD monitor; maybe at 17 inches to address the problem. But I'm wondering if I'll still be at the mercy of the native resolution. Just to let you know, I've tried all the display scenarios to address the problem (i.e., appearance, settings, dpi) without success. Just miss the 800/600 resolution I had in the past due to my bad eyesight.
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Paul

Paul...
Here are some ramblingthoughts on your issue. They expand on the good advice you've already received, and thus do not dispute what others have said.
Make certain your drivers for the graphics card are the latest and greatest. This is the first step you should take. You probably have already done that. If not, go do it. But check the next paragraph first.
If your graphics card has a DVI output, by all means use it. If it doesn't, opt for a different graphics card, preferably one with two DVI outputs, known as a dual-head graphics card. I address this again below.
Life is too short to drink cheap wine. It's also too short to spend a professional career working with inadequate computing resources, especially when you consider the cost of the capital outlay versus the salaries and the wasted time fooling around trying to make things right. If your employer has artificial limits on spending, go make a business case for better gear.
You already seem to understand the concept of the monitor's native resolution. High resolution monitors are best for image processing, when programs like Photoshop are used to edit photographic images. For text-based work, they're the wrong way to go, as you've discovered. Part of the problem is that many web pages and all operating systems seem to be stuck with a one-size-fits-all set of icons, menus, page sizes and the like. With Windows, you get two choices of text size, but those choices don't apply to all text instances and only in the operating system, not in the applications that run on top of the application. So driving a high resolution monitor at its native resolution results in tiny text, icons and the like. I get some email messages that I cannot read because the very popular marketing company that creates them uses what must be 4 point typefaces.
I have dual 20.5" Samgung monitors with 1600x1200 native resolution on two of my workstations. They're beautiful monitors, but I would trade even-up for the same monitor with 1280x960 native resolution. One thing that's nice about LCDs, by the way, is this. If you get ones that pivot clock- or counter-clockwise, and many do, you can easily run them in portrait mode by rotating them and changing the settings for the driver. My FrameMaker workstation has one monitor set to landscape orientation and the other to portrait mode. Try setting a 17" CRT on its sidegood luck!
LCD monitors will ONLY look their best when the image is displayed at their native resolution, or perhaps in some cases, at a submultiple of the native resolution. For example, a 1600x1200 monitor might look OK when the graphics card is set to 800x600. In my case, that makes the icons and windows appear too large, though. Something in-between is best for me. I doubt, however, that you have a 840x525 choice, but if you do, try it.
Sheila asks about your video cable. An LCD monitor *should* be driven by a graphics card with a DVI (digital) output. Otherwise, the signal must be converted to analog (VGA) and back to digital for display purposes. Since the image is inherently digital to begin with, converting to analog video and then back to digital has its obvious drawbacks. I'm not sure if a modern graphics card can properly identify the connected monitor though a VGA cableit's been so long since I used a CRT and a VGA card that I've forgotten.
A CRT monitor also has a "native resolution" based on the pitch of the phosphor triads and the shadow mask in the tube. Because that was an analog interfaced world, and CRTs are relatively "soft" compared to LCDs, the effects of non-native scan rates and resolution settings were not as troublesome or as obvious as they are for LCD screens. Once you get the settings right on your LCD display, though, you will NEVER consider going back to a CRT display.
It's probably too late to lobby for this, but if I were you, I would strive to get a "dual-head" graphics card, one with two DVI outputs, and put two identical monitors side-by-side. Once you've experienced a dual-monitor setup, you will never be happy with just one screen.
Setting the graphics card resolution for a 16:10 aspect ratio in any other than the native resolution of the monitor will result in "aliasing" artifacts, which may be what you mean by "distortion." The simplistic way to describe the aliasing effect is that some elements of a character inevitably fall in the "cracks" between pixels. When the image resolution setting matches the native resolution, the video data from the card "lines up" perfectly with the pixels, giving the most accurate representation. The other type of distortion that you may be referring to is due to a mismatch of the aspect ration associated with an image resolution setting versus the aspect ratio of the screen. In such situations, a "truly" round circle would appear elliptical on the screen. This is what Winifred is describing. You cannot expect acceptable results with any graphics card setting whose resolution aspect ratio is , relative to the display, mismatched. You must use a setting that corresponds to the 16:10 ratio.
Another way to understand the artifacts associated with aliasing is to imagine viewing a checkerboard through a piece of wire fencing with a square pattern laid on top of it. When the size of the squares in the fencing material are the same as the checkboard squares, you can make things line up and see all of the checkerboard. If the screen wire is a different size, then there's no way to place the wire over the checkerboard without covering some of the squares with wirethat is, unless the pattern in the fence is twice the size of the square, ot four times, and so on.

LCD Monitor Recommendations

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What are some of the better brands/models for editing (FCE)? I think a 20" or more would give me greater screen real estate, and what about brands? Some online research indicate the Dells are considered pretty good, and so are the Samsungs.
What are some brand and model preferences from this forum, and why?
Thanks,
and Happy New Year to all
Keith

Been using a pair of Dell 2408's for the last 6 months.
Stable color. I'm using a Spyder2Pro for calibration and they both show exactly the same colors.
Lots of connection possibilities. Work in portrait mode if you'd like.
Work with the MXO as a calibrated HD monitor.
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Connecting LCD Monitor to lenovo n100 0768-ffg

Hello
I recently purchased a new LCD monitor (Samsung syncMaster t220)
I have connected it to the VGA port in the computer.
and what i get is a yellow picture!
how can I solve this?
please help
Message Edited by dshmidt on 02-09-2009 01:21 PM

If your laptop LCD do not display a yellow tinge, then the most likely the vga adapter on your laptop probably have a bad connection or have dirt in it. There is the option of getting a port replicator, which i believe have a vga out port, or a cheap
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DVD project, best LCD monitor, 24 inches, 500$ ?

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I am a new to video editing and I am trying to make a DVD. That is no action movie (It is a tutorial) but it is still a serious project.
I would like to buy an LCD monitor that will allow be to do a decent job. I am not looking for these 8,000$ screens that are clearly out of reach for my wallet...
I would like to be above 24 inches (29 is better).
AND under 500/600 $.
According to your valuable knowledge, what is the best compromise/deal out there?
Thanks a bunch.
Guillaume.

Man I wish I could steer you in the right direction, but 500-bucks doesn’t go very far in the ‘decent’ quality display market. This is especially the case in the 24+ inch offerings. I’m running the very first ACD 22-inch model on my 2009 MacPro with decent results but it did cost $5k back when it came out a decade ago. If you could find one like mine, it should go for around 300-bucks. When I do buy a new display later this year, it will be the LaCie 324i and not the 27-inch ACD.
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LCD monitor with Premiere Elem. 8

I'm investigating for the best replacement of my Premiere 6.5 / Matrox RT.X100 video editing system and actually testing Premiere Elements 8.
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I have an LG 22" LCD (W2252TQ) attached to my MacBook Pro. And it is a horrible experience. It buzzes if the brightness is not at 100%. The colors are not like they are on the MacBook Pro LCD.
I am getting the LCD replaced for the 2nd time (the first time was because of a slightly different experience).
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Photoshop CS3 doesn't like "Lenovo ThinkPad LCD Monitor" color management profile

When launching Photoshop CS3 Extended, I get a warning:
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Solved!
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Thank you very kindly, Erik; my searches hadn't found that. However, my T61p appears to already have that software -- not surprising as that was released in December and this notebook was built about a month ago.
I tried the instructions given, but Windows said my computer was already up-to-date. I suppose I could try uninstalling what the computer came with and reinstalling the download...
[Edit 1]
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[Edit 2]
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yours Kari

General rule of thumb is:
80 - 90 cd/m2 for print
130 - 140 cd/m2 for screen
What I do:
Edit everything (print and screen) on a 80cd/m2 monitor. It works out very well.
Sounds like you're on the right track.

Screen shaking on old PC (LCD monitor)

I just installed Arch on an old PC with an intel E8281E onboard vga and a 17' LCD monitor (this PC used to run Arch with Gnome, but the hard drive failed so I had to reinstall and went for LXDE instead).
When I start LXDE, the screen shakes at native resolution (1280x1024), but not in lower resolutions
I'm using the xf86-video-intel driver since it seems to be the most appropriate for this hardware. I tried disabling KMS at boot but nothing changed
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Old Intel card needs xf86-video-intel-legacy, which isn't supported by the new xorg-server. I don't know if yours is that old.
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Ok, before I go poking around and stuff something up, can someone please answer my following questions. I am wanting to connect two LCD 22inch monitors to my Macbook Pro.
1. How do I do this?
2. Instead of buying Apple screens, are there any other good LCD monitors that will do just a good a job?
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1. http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/corpo/products/home.php
check graphic expansion modules
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The company I bought it from is not Apple, and I may regret that. It was in my price range, though.
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