Legality when downgrading from snow leopard to leopard OS

Hello all,
I have been looking through the apple terms and conditions of their software and I am unable to find anything regarding downgrades of operating systems.
If I have purchased a Macbook Pro w/ snow Leopard installed from factory, Am I allowed to downgrade the Operating system to Leopard without purchasing a new copy of leopard. Lets say I borrowed the DVD from a friend.
Can I do this legally? Yes or No?
Whatever the answer is, I need undisputable proof quoted directly from the apple support website. Thank you all

FernandoR wrote:
Hello all,
I have been looking through the apple terms and conditions of their software and I am unable to find anything regarding downgrades of operating systems.
If I have purchased a Macbook Pro w/ snow Leopard installed from factory, Am I allowed to downgrade the Operating system to Leopard without purchasing a new copy of leopard. Lets say I borrowed the DVD from a friend.
Can I do this legally? Yes or No?
Whatever the answer is, I need undisputable proof quoted directly from the apple support website.
geez, do you maybe want a phone call directly from Steve Jobs?
it certainly won't be legal if you use a borrowed disk. a leopard license clearly and indisputably states that you can only install it on one computer.
*2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.*
*A. Single Use. This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-*
*labeled computer, or to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.*
but this is quite irrelevant because you won't be able to install it anyway as it won't run. you can't install an earlier OS than the one the computer came with as it lacks necessary hardware drivers for the newer computers.

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Ok so I went ot the local Apple shop and they have stopped stocking SNL but advised i can download Lion and install and even though it didn't format i could when installed boot to the recovery partion -utilities and erase from there and then do a full install thus allowing a full format.
So erase done click install lion and it connected to the net and then sat for some time so what i'm asking is does this now have to down load the 4gb image again. I assumed it installed from the partition but will it download and install if so this could take some time as the Lion download took approx 8 hours.
Please tell me that is not the case as that is seriously flawed and left me in a dodgy position as i have erased my hdd and will have to wait till i can get a day off to run the next install.
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