Lion: failure to honor un-setting of "Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps" ?

I have noticed an annoying "feature" of Lion, and I'm hoping that someone might have found a workaround.
If I uncheck Preferences->General->Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps, some of my apps still seem to ignore that setting after a restart.
Here's a scenario which illustrates the problem:
Uncheck the Preferences setting mentioned above.
Open up a few Finder windows.
Open up a few Terminal windows.
In the Terminal Preferences, disable everything related to Window Groups.
Do a Logout or a Restart. Uncheck Reopen windows when logging back in.
Relog in.
Open one Terminal window.
After step 6, all of the Finder windows which were previously open before Logout or Restart will also reopen.
After step 7, all of the Terminal windows which were previously open before Logout or Restart will reopen, in addition to the single Terminal window which is manually opened after login.
The only way I can prevent this from happening to Terminal is to add the following two lines right before the final </dict> tag in /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/Info.plist:
<key>LSUIElement</key>
<string>1</string>
However, this has the undesirable side-effect of not showing anything about Terminal in the menu bar or the dock.
None of this used to happen in Snow Leopard, Leopard, or Tiger. Does anyone know how I can disable this unwanted window-opening-after-relogin behavior in Lion?
Thanks in advance.

Try the Lion community, there are others with same and similar questions;
And, this is not the MacBook Pro forum, so might want to bookmark and find that as well.
http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro
http://www.apple.com/support/lion

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Lion: failure to honor the un-setting of "Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps" ?

I have noticed an annoying "feature" of Lion, and I'm hoping that someone might have found a workaround.
If I uncheck Preferences->General->Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps, some of my apps still seem to ignore that setting after a restart.
Here's a scenario which illustrates the problem:
Uncheck the Preferences setting mentioned above.
Open up a few Finder windows.
Open up a few Terminal windows.
In the Terminal Preferences, disable everything related to Window Groups.
Do a Logout or a Restart. Uncheck Reopen windows when logging back in.
Relog in.
Open one Terminal window.
After step 6, all of the Finder windows which were previously open before Logout or Restart will also reopen.
After step 7, all of the Terminal windows which were previously open before Logout or Restart will reopen, in addition to the single Terminal window which is manually opened after login.
The only way I can prevent this from happening to Terminal is to add the following two lines right before the final </dict> tag in /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/Info.plist:
<key>LSUIElement</key>
<string>1</string>
However, this has the undesirable side-effect of not showing anything about Terminal in the menu bar or the dock.
None of this used to happen in Snow Leopard, Leopard, or Tiger. Does anyone know how I can disable this unwanted window-opening-after-relogin behavior in Lion?
Thanks in advance.

To urabus. Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately, this is does not work for me. Furthermore, even if it did work the way you said, it would not be a viable alternative for me.
When I hold down the Option key and select the Terminal menu, I see this: Quit and Keep Windows, not Quit and Discard Windows. If I let go of the Option key, this menu entry changes to simply Quit Terminal. Therefore, I don't even have the option to quit and discard my windows.
As I mentioned, however, even if I had the option you mention, it is not desirable for me. When I restart, I want the OS to properly close all my open windows in the same way that it did in Snow Leopard, Leopard, and Tiger. It is not desirable for me to have to manually close some or all of my apps in a special way before restart, simply to cause them to behave the way that un-checking Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps is supposed to control.
Here is one reason (out of several), for why I don't want this auto-reopen-windows-on-restart "feature": some of my Terminal windows run ssh sessions to remote sites. It is a Bad Thing for these ssh sessions to be auto-restored after Restart, without my having to specificially initiate these sessions.
IMHO, Apple should offer an alternative to this undesirable behavior. For example, during the shutdown procedure which is part of a Restart, we are asked if we want to kill any open Terminal windows. The "Quit and Discard Windows" option could be offered at that point ... but it isn't.
Furthermore, as I mentioned above, this unwanted behavior also occurs in Finder.
Is there any option that I can set in my system or in the defaults for com.apple.Terminal and com.apple.Finder which would force an automatic "Quit and Discard Windows" on restart or re-login?
Updated to add second paragraph which explains how hitting the Option key when selecting the Terminal menu does not work.

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