Long time Gentoo user on the fence...
So, Gentoo's kind of fallen off the wagon. I don't have any problems with the compile times -- but I do have issues with compiling. I love portage, I love ebuilds, I love useflags. But it's all gotten so horribly broken lately that I'm strongly considering switching to a binary distro next time I reformat. I'm sick of dealing with arcane gcc errors that I can't trace back to anything or bizarre blocks and dependency breakage.
I keep hearing, "well, if you like Gentoo's customability but you're sick of screwing with compiles, then switch to Arch."
I want to know if they're right. I would like to give Arch a shot.
But binary distros and me tend to not agree much of the time. It's not so much that their binary based -- I have no issues with binaries. I just don't like their methodology of "since you're using a binary distro, you must be a recent Windows convert and want the computer to hold your hand.". So I need to know some things from some users with first-hand experience.
- Pacman & package selection: better than apt (please god say yes)? No dependency hell? Is it easy to switch to testing/unstable versions and back? Can I compile select things if I so choose? Is package selection as good as with Portage? Can I find smaller apps and libraries that are useful in a niche in the Pacman reps easily? (like Nitrogen, tint2, pypanel, etc.). It'd be REALLY annoying to have to hunt down 500 tar.gz and compile stuff -- it'd be like using Gentoo without Portage.
- Kernel selection: Good selections for laptops or certain builds of computers (i.e AMD or Intel?), as opposed to a huge 120 MB kernel with every option enabled? Possibility of easily foregoing Pacman and letting people compile their own (i.e zen-sources, mm-patchset based kernels, etc.)?
- Sensible defaults: None of this "you're forced to use Gnome with an ugly default themeset and you can't uninstall it" Ubuntu crap, I do hope. If I wanna use Openbox and KDM, I use Openbox and KDM.
- Sensible core config file locations: This one is a big one for me. For Gentoo, all of the system config files/init scripts were easy to find (/etc/conf.d and /etc/init.d). I used Ubuntu for a while and the damn things were strewn all over the place (stuff like /etc/local/user/net/config/heresanotherdirforsomereason/symlinktohell/config makes me cry).
- Hands-on-edness: I want to use bash. I want to get in and get a little bit dirty. I don't want GUI-based Windows-esque nonsense ALL of the time. This is my primary complaint for Ubuntu: it shields you for everything, so that you spend more time undoing it's "ease of use" automatic crap than you do actually using the system. I can forgo all of this if it's in Arch at all, right?
I realize I'm being a bit preening and overbearing, but I just want something that doesn't break every 3rd package due to compile errors, but still offers a bit of leeway for experienced Linux users instead of this "let's make Linux more like Windows" idea that seems to be ever-so-pervasive in distros today. I really hope Arch can do this.
mm23 wrote:.- Pacman & package selection: better than apt (please god say yes)? No dependency hell? Is it easy to switch to testing/unstable versions and back? Can I compile select things if I so choose? Is package selection as good as with Portage? Can I find smaller apps and libraries that are useful in a niche in the Pacman reps easily? (like Nitrogen, tint2, pypanel, etc.). It'd be REALLY annoying to have to hunt down 500 tar.gz and compile stuff -- it'd be like using Gentoo without Portage.
It is better than apt. Dependency hell is a lot less painful then apt.
You can't easily switch to testing and back, but Arch Testing and Gentoo/Debian Testing are very different. Currently all that's in Arch's Testing (besides all the Xorg 7.4 packages) is like really new versions of stuff that's a bit too unstable to go into Core/Extra so unless you want to help test stuff, or really want Xorg 7.4, there's no real reason to run Arch's Testing branch.
You can easily compile stuff if you choose with the abs (think of it like FreeBSD's ports tree).
I'd say with the AUR, package selection is better than in Portage, without the AUR, not so much...and yes, all those small things you mentioned...I know for a fact they're either in the AUR, Extra or Community.
mm23 wrote:- Kernel selection: Good selections for laptops or certain builds of computers (i.e AMD or Intel?), as opposed to a huge 120 MB kernel with every option enabled? Possibility of easily foregoing Pacman and letting people compile their own (i.e zen-sources, mm-patchset based kernels, etc.)?
The default kernel is VERY small, but it has most of the stuff you'd want enabled, however, there are plenty of extra kernels in the AUR. I believe Zen is in there, the latest 2.6.28 RC is in there and i think mm is in there among others.
mm23 wrote:- Sensible defaults: None of this "you're forced to use Gnome with an ugly default themeset and you can't uninstall it" Ubuntu crap, I do hope. If I wanna use Openbox and KDM, I use Openbox and KDM.
Everything is configurable and nothing is set unless you explicitly set it for the most part.
mm23 wrote:- Sensible core config file locations: This one is a big one for me. For Gentoo, all of the system config files/init scripts were easy to find (/etc/conf.d and /etc/init.d). I used Ubuntu for a while and the damn things were strewn all over the place (stuff like /etc/local/user/net/config/heresanotherdirforsomereason/symlinktohell/config makes me cry).
Most config files are in /etc or a subdirectory of /etc (usually only one layer down) and all init scripts are in /etc/rc.d
mm23 wrote:- Hands-on-edness: I want to use bash. I want to get in and get a little bit dirty. I don't want GUI-based Windows-esque nonsense ALL of the time. This is my primary complaint for Ubuntu: it shields you for everything, so that you spend more time undoing it's "ease of use" automatic crap than you do actually using the system. I can forgo all of this if it's in Arch at all, right?
Everything is manual. I'd consider Arch (in this case) a cross between Gentoo and Debian
mm23 wrote:I realize I'm being a bit preening and overbearing, but I just want something that doesn't break every 3rd package due to compile errors, but still offers a bit of leeway for experienced Linux users instead of this "let's make Linux more like Windows" idea that seems to be ever-so-pervasive in distros today. I really hope Arch can do this.
Just a suggestion, you should really Just Try Arch and browse the AUR and do some package searches. You'd probably have found all the answers to these questions yourself if you did that (mind you, i'm not complaining).
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Overview of problem
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I would like to Thank the Talented Consultant who designed and implemented are App-V infrastructure who found the bugs and created all
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Simon Bond from Ultima Business Solutions.
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Hi, all!
As the subject heading says, I've been using Eudora for a very long time (way past its shelf life) and have been playing around with Mail off and on over the past year. (Now, in Eudora's defense, the expiration date on it was a "Best by..." not a "Use by..." date and it's been working fantastically for years! )
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Solutions?
What do you all do as to work flow? How do you go about creating and revising a bunch of e-mails, but only sending out certain ones? And ensuring that only the ones you want to go out, go out?!Thank you for posting all this info. Unfortunately i have no idea how to do flags and how to use a smart mailbox as a place to store emails i am not ready to send. Eudora is vastly superior in all the things it empowers the user to quickly and easily do, in the traditional Apple spirit of intuitiveness, clear direct normal (not esoteric) communicatioin and user friendliness.
about three weeks ago i was pretty much forced into Mountain Lion bcause my old MacBook is barely functioning at all and i got a new MacBook Pro. So, good bye Eudora that i've used since 1995, only because i couldn't find another mail program that did what it does. I wonder why there aren't others. I've tried MailForge, it's a great attempt but it seems to have run out of steam and isn't working well enough.
I am using Mail and Gmail. The result is i'm suffering a whole range of loss of functionality in email, and am not getting a lot of messages, they are here somewhere but i can't always find them, i have to go to my old computer, enduring a kind of freeze where a beachball is a sign of progress, a trackpad that barely works for drag and drop anymore and a battery that needs reaplacing. i think the hard drive is failing. but i still need it to retrieve my email reliably, to a poiint where i see i 'm going to have to put money into it so it can keep working, for email. what a poor solution. I am trying as best i can to have Mail communicate better.
i just wanted to thank you for your encouraging posts and giving me something to follow up on to try to use, to address this one of many loss of Eudora problems. Why wouldn't a mail program give you the option to queue mail? Why take away options and functionality? sorry, i'm just ranting because i've had a very frustrating last few weeks related to numerous new OS challenges, but email is the only really serious one.
I really like your idea of badges to show number of new messages, i think that's what you meant, you didn't say 'new', but another great and helpful thing about Eudroa is sorting mail into mail boxes and opening those mailboxes that get new mail each time you download mail, so you kow what's new. You can immediately see it. In Apple Mail, i find i have to dig through each of the 12 'on my mac' mailboxes/folders i created so far, to see if there is new mail in them. A lot of extra trouble for something that a superior email program can do for you. -
Apple control - Front Row takes a long time to open through the Menu Butto?
I am using a ManMini as a HTPC. Front Row is being used as my Media Choice. When I click the Menu Button Front Row may not open or it may take a very longtime to activate.
listerIf you use the Accounts System Preferences to create a brand new user, log out and log in as the new user, how long does it take the new user to open Front Row with the remote? If it's just as slow, you have a system-wide issue. If Front Row opens quickly for the new user, then your original user may have a movie, song or picture that's taking a long time for your Front Row to access. Let us know what you find out from this troubleshooting step.
-Doug
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