LR2 Keyword Heck

I haven't found anything in LR Help that explains this. With "All Photographs" selected I highlighted a keyword in the Keywords List Panel. Nothing happened until I clicked on the horizontal arrow to the right of the keyword. Then it showed the photos with that keyword with a check mark in the box to the left of the keyword. Intending to deselect that keyword, I clicked on the check mark in the box. That removed the keyword from the selected photos. "Ctrl Z" did undo the "Remove Keyword". Now I'm stuck. I can't deselect a keyword in the Keyword List until I either select a different keyword in "Custom Filter" or I turn "Custom Filter" off. What am I doing wrong, what is the proper way to deselect/remove the check mark from the keyword in the Keyword List, and why does it need to be so complicated?

The Keyword List panel serves multiple purposes:
1) filtering (click the arrow at the right of a keyword to view only those images containing the keyword)
2) keyword assignment/unassignment (as you found, the checkmark to the left does this), and
3) list organization. Selecting an individual keyword line allows you to arrange keywords hierarchically.
Does this help?

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Just as Zak Beck's fix, this is NOT an official fix! I'm sure Adobe's fix will be out soon, but for those who don't want to wait and are a bit adventurous, here's my fix :) You will need a copy of your old LR1 catalog and your new LR2 catalog. This utility will read each keyword from the old catalog and apply the same setting to Include On Export, Include Parents and Include Synonyms in the new catalog. FAIR WARNING!!! This is not tested rigorously!!! I did this for my own catalogs, and it works on them. It passes LR's integrity check, opens fine in LR2 and I have checked around 30 (of 9000) keywords and they all seem to be correct now. However, PLEASE MAKE A BACKUP of your LR2 catalog prior to running this. You never know... Needless to say, this comes with no warranty whatsoever, use at your own risk! For the diligent, the source code is included, so feel free to make sure it does what I say it does :) If your still interested, here's what you need to do: 1) If not already installed, install Java 1.6 or later. 2) Download LRKeywordFix.zip from here: http://www.box.net/shared/tyylegbccg 3) Unzip LRKeywordFix.zip 4a) If you are on a Mac, move the file macosx/libsqlitejdbc.jnilib one directory up 4b) If you are on Windows, move the file win\sqlitejdbc.dll one directory up 5) run the command "java -jar LRKeywordFix.jar <path to LR1 catalog> <path to LR2 catalog>" For example: "java -jar LRKeywordFix.jar c:\backups\LR1Cats\mylr1cat.lrcat c:\LR2Cats\mylr2cat.lrcat" Let me know how it goes! Regards, Kris

OK, so I've updated the tool now. This is what's different:
-Separate packages for Win32 and OSX
-Output is more informative now. Note the levels: INFO, WARNING and ERROR. INFO is just FYI, nothing went wrong. WARNING means something non-critical happened and the tool should continue to process. ERROR usually means a critical error happened and the tool will quit. Also, if a keyword from LR1 was not found in LR2, it will tell you so.
-I actually check that the LR2 keyword is the same by complete name, case sensitive. So, e.g., if LR1 keyword was 'Los Angeles^California^USA', the LR2 keyword must be exactly the same, not e.g. 'los angeles^california^usa' or 'Los Angeles^USA', etc. This may be a nuisance for some but I felt it was better to be strict here. If really needed, I can add an option to let the user choose how strict the tool will be.
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http://www.box.net/shared/54yyp6zuq4
OSX package:
http://www.box.net/shared/un61qc2gfg
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Keyword editing; script request

I am looking for a way to better edit keywords in Aperture 2.
If I bring up the Keyword HUD (shift-H), I sure can organize the keywords into a tree, but Aperture shows neither the match count nor the images themselves. Selecting images by keyword can apparently only be done out of a flat list from the +Smart Settings+ of the Library search function or the Query HUD in the browser window.
I have been importing many older images from +iView Media 3+ which has excellent keyword management capabilities. In particular, I like the hierarchical location management via IPTC fields. (That would be nice to have in Aperture, without having to "abuse" keywords.) Unfortunately, I haven't been all that consistent in keyword assignment (who is?), so there is a lot of cruft (typos etc.), and cleaning this up is not getting any easier with more incoming pictures.
As a workaround, it would help if there was a pair of AppleScripts to map the keywords library onto appropriate containers and back, where a container is either a project, a yellow, or a blue folder -- I know this is a bit vague because of the very specific purposes and limitations of each one of those. Two scripts would be needed:
*Keywords to Folders*
- Create a toplevel container Keywords
- For each existing (hierarchical) keyword:
-- create a matching hierarchical container under Keywords
-- match images and place (link) them into the new container
-- remove keyword from the keyword library
At this point, one can edit the keywords graphically by manipulating the containers.
*Folders to Keywords*
- For each container below Keywords
-- create keyword in library, with same name and hierarchy level
-- apply keyword to images in container (if not already present)
However, this is beyond my limited expertise with AppleScript. For someone more experienced: Is this feasible, or does such a mapping perhaps already exist?
Regards, Michael

Forgive me but I cannot help myself - I must post a response.
While I sympathize with you in whatever issue you are trying to solve with your organization and I do believe whole heartedly in using whatever tools you have in anyway that suits your needs. I do believe that you may be missing the point of hierarchical keywords. The point is primarily to impose additional pseudo hierarchical structures that are not necessarily identical to your primary hierarchical structure. It's also convenient and efficient to be able to change those virtual structures and add new ones. This is usually best accomplished by only adding the most specific keywords to your images and then arranging those specific keywords under increasingly general parent keywords. You don't really want to be adding every single keyword in the hierarchy to each image nor do you want your primary org structure to mirror one particular keyword path.
Yea yea yea I know all about the export issue with Aperture hierarchies for you stock guys out there (LR2 has a really nice solution for this w/o making a big mess). See here if are interested [Aperture2 and LR2 Keywords|http://photo.rwboyer.com/2008/11/aperture-2-vs-lightroom-2-keywords>
Personally I believe you would find yourself with a bigger more gigantic mess should this script/scripts be unleashed on humanity. Maybe we here at the ole' Aperture forum could be of assistance in helping get to the root of what you are actually trying to accomplish?
RB

Global Preferences For Keyword Tag Options

Instead of a script that converts the LR2 Keywords back to the LR 1.4.1 way how about an update that adds a setting in say preferences that allows us to set them globally as we choose. Unless Adobe gives us Vista users the option of exporting hierarchical keywords with "/" as the separator, then I am going to have to start unchecking the "Export Containing Keywords" box for each of my existing keywords.

I second this. Even an "apply these options to all child tags" gesture would be helpful.

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Few months ago I started using Lightroom 2. It works well for me but there’s one aspect which doesn’t and I can find a workaround. Any suggestions, please.
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Hi Dorin, Thanks for your response. It set me on the right road to find the answer. In Bridge, my keywords are saved to .xmp files (is that good or bad?). Then I double checked something. Shortly after starting to use LR, I imported thousands of files, most of which were keyworded. This morning I went to look at one in Bridge (I could see the keywords) and in LR (I could see no keywords), same file. Then I removed that file from LR and imported it again. Now I can see the keywords in LR. I can only guess that when I imported them all originally, I must have had a setting which removed or did not import the keywords. That's the only answer to this which makes sense. So, now I know I should simply re-import files before working on them in LR. So, THANKS! All the best, John

LR2-How delete keyword tags

In LR 1.4, I was able to delete keywords from multiple photos by:
1. Highlighting the photos
2. Deleting the targeted keywords from the keyword tags panel.
This is consistent in the LR2 help files: "With photos selected in the Grid view or the Filmstrip, do any of the following: To remove keyword tags from photos, select one or more keyword tags in the Keyword Tags area of the Keywording panel and delete them."
However, this does not work in LR2 on my Vista machine. I can delete keywords from individual photos but if more than on photo is highlighted, the keyword is removed from the first file only. Is this a bug or am I missing something? Thanks in advance, dave

> I can delete keywords from individual photos but if more than on photo is highlighted, the keyword is removed from the first file only. Is this a bug or am I missing something?
You must be doing it in something other than the grid view. If so, then the this behavior is correct.

LR2: how to exit "Click here to add keywords"?

In LR2 the "Click here to add keywords" box was added to easily add keywords. But how do I exit this and advance to the next photo without having to click somewhere? In the other metadata-fields I can just press enter and then the focus is back to the image (i.e. arrow keys can be used to advance) but this does not work in this new keyword box.
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Oh - how could I miss the obvious? Thanks! It also works on Mac (of course).

LR2 and importing keywords from CS3 Bridge

I've just started a 30 day LR trial and need some guidance, please, on successfully importing keywords from CS3 Bridge so that the complete heirarchy survives intact.
I've just imported the keywords to LR2 and found the heirarchy is mostly destroyed.
Also, Bridge allows you put a keyword inside "[ ]" (square brackets) if you want/need that word in the heirarchy but do not want it to be copied to the metadata. After importing to LR2, all the square brackets have gone.
I've imported some photos into LR2 but, when I look at their keywords, all the words which were within square brackets (and so not visible in the metadata in Bridge) are now visible in the metadata in LR2.
Anyone found a solution to this, please? I really don't want to have to re-keyword everything if there's another way.
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Ginger
I ran a test for you. Started up my old computer that has windows XP OS. Took a photo and added a keyword by right clicking as your previous post outlined. I then looked at photo in Bridge CS3 on old machine. There was no keyword. Copied to flash drive and looked at photo on Vista computer with Bridge CS3. Still no keyword. Ran a search on Vista advanced for keyword on flash drive, and it gave a hit.
So my conclusion is that the keyword is there, but Bridge does not read the XP generated keyword. It will read a keyword generated by same method in Vista. Don't know what else to suggest. Don't have CS4 so do not know it that works or not.
Perhaps with these clues someone else can figure it out.
Good luck

Keyword Search in LR2

Just started using LR2. In LR 1.4, keyword searches are on the left, just like the metadata, and all the other searches in the library. It worked fine, and was similar to the way I have Bridge configured.
In LR2, it appears keywords have been moved to the right, and are now bizarre to search by... Clicking on a keyword DOESN'T find the records, it just sits there. I have to click on a little arrow on the far right, and then I get a set of dropdowns that make my preview space even SMALLER to find records by keyword......
PLEASE tell me there's a way to configure the placement of these palettes so I can put them back on the left and HOPEFULLY have them work as Bridge does. And that there's a way to turn OFF this bunch of dropdowns that show up in the preview area except when I need them......

Pretty much, No. No way to change it, unfortunately. From that filter bar, if you select 'None' the bar goes away, I believe. But I agree, it kinda takes up space that I'd rather actually see images in. But I've gotten used to it now. I bet dual-monitor folks would love to move that to a second screen.
Also, be sure you don't accidentally click the 'invisible' checkbox that appears to the left of the keyword when you hover over it... it will apply that keyword to the selected image. While that's not a bad idea necessarily, I wish there were a way to turn THAT off too - to avoid accidental keywording of images. While they're at it, they could add a REALLY useful box of some sort next to keywords that would allow quick & dynamic AND searches; and allow drag and drop of keywords to images to apply (and vice-versa... currently only one of those methods works.)
I think keywording and searching ease of use is one area that's been neglected up to now. The filter bar shows they've given it 'some' attention; but not as much as it deserves.

LR2 - LR3 counting keywords has changed - why?

From LR2 to LR3 the method of counting keywords with child keywords (parent keywords) has changed - why?
In keyword hierarchies, some keyword levels a used just to categorize keywords, but they would be never used. In Lightroom 2 the keyword count for parent keywords, showed the numbers of images to which this keyword or any of its childs was applied. This way, one could easily see, how many images were assigned within a keyword hierarchy. In LR 3 the count number only represents how many images are assigned with that particular keyword, child assignments are no longer counted. While there are arguments for the usefulness of each counting methods, I wonder, why that has been changed, and why the older method of LR 2 has been omitted. It could have been left in as an option without too much effort. In general, it is bad practice to change program behaviour in such places, because you don't know, if people use the former method in their workflows and actually prefer this.
LR 2:
Flowers          79 If "Flowers" would be applied to 2 images, "81" would be shown here)
      Daisy       12
      Rose        45
      Tulip         22
LR 3:
Flowers             0 (actually nothing is displayed), If "Flowers" would be applied to 2 images, "2" would be shown here)
     Daisy         12
     Rose          45
     Tulip           22
In general, I find the new behaviour inconsistent, because if I click on the arrow to the right of a parent keyword, the images are filtered to the parent keyword and all of its child keywords, whereas the counting does not include the childs.
In genral I would prefer that Lightroom would include both numbers:
LR 4:
Flowers         0/79 (if "Flowers" is applied to 2 images, "2/81" would be shown here)
   Daisy         12
   Rose          45
   Tulip           22
Kind regards

Thank you for the explanation. However, instead of taking the older method out, which at least some (perhaps many?) find useful, the engineers could have made this configurable. I don't know, why they take always the easier route. Making things configurable isn't that difficult. Let the user decide, if his equipment is well enough suited to digest the perfomance penalty caused by the LR 2 method. I can't really understand the complaints about the LR 2 method. For what do we actually have keyword hierarchies? The LR 2 way of counting was one of the nicest features of Lightroom's DAM capabilities. If such a thing confuses some and others not, the way to do it is to make it configurable. Best practice, I would say.
My friend is using keyword hierarchies heavily for organizing images (shouldn't be anything wrong with that). The LR 2 method of counting keywords was pretty crucial for her workflow. I suggest bringing the feature back and let the customer decide to use it or not.
Not very good practice, the product management is showing here.

I am running Lightroom 2.7. If I download cloud version of Lightroom how do I get the keywords I have in LR2.7 to work in the new version?

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Hello everybody,
I've got a big problem within lightroom (2.6).
In my keyword list, when i select a keyword (to see the photos with that keyword) all my photos in the catalog pops up.
For example there is a keyword with 4 photos in it. When i click it all my photos in the catalog pop up. (I do click on the arrow next to the keyword to try to show it up)
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Thanks again for the fast reply! Made me a bit more clear about what might be wrong.
I've gave your sollution a shot....unfortunatly it did not work. What i did find out during that test is that the keyword Beechcraft itself doesnt work, but the keywords in it do. Made a screenshot of what i mean:
Could this mean the keyword beechcraft is corrupt?
I've deleted the keyword as well, and made a new keyword named Beechcraft, but that did not work. If it's under a different keyword (for example Beech) it does work. This can be done with this keyword, but there's not always some same kind of keyword for a photograph.
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