LR4 Tone curve reset

Hi,
Installed LR4 today and ran into a problem.
I have been working with alot of negatives lately and therefore my photos have a reversed tone curve. When I converted my existing catalog all looked fine, using the old previews. But when I go into develop on any of the photos the tone cureve gets reset to normal behaivour, and I have to redo the "invert". And all this using the old process (2010). This is really problematic. Can someone else confirm this issue?

Quite the same problem for me here: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/971408

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LR4: tone curve settings lost after upgrade

I've find an annoying bug in this new version that makes me really crazy.
I've a Nikon D300S and a D7000.
After the importation of the catalog in the new Lightroom 4 all the D7000 .dng files have lost all the tone curve settings (I normally use linear).
The D300S files instead retain the tone curve settings.
It's a very strange behaviour: I've lost more than half of my old photo settings.
It's really frustrating.
Will be resolve soon this problem?
Until that day, for my older works I'll be obliged to continue to use LR3.

I've probably found a sort of workaround!
I've made some "organized" tests and here I report my findings.
Using LR3.5, I prepared a "test catalog" using 4 images from 7 different cameras (28 images total): for each of them, I used both the original nef and the dng converted file (56 files in the catalog), all develop process was set to "2010".
The cameras were Nikon D70, D90, D200, D300s, D700, D5000, D7000.
I applied a strong tone curve to each image in a way that the appearance was heavily characterized.
Before exit LR3.5, I SAVED ALL THE METADATA TO THE FILES.
Opening and converting the catalog using LR4, doesn't show any visual change until I zoom in library or open the develop module: both these operation lead to a flat image with the strong tone curve lost.
Curiously, the history retains the original steps but they are ineffective: histogram and tone curve changes according to the visual change but for some camera the "new" tone curve is "medium contrast", for others (D5000, D90) is "linear", for D300s is "custom" (linear with blacks cut at 9.8%, and this explain my initial impression that D300s's curves were untouched, sorry). This last behavior may depend on the fact that I've different default develop settings depending on the camera serial number.
Finally, the update to the 2012 process only minimally changes the visual appearance and surely doesn't restore the lost tone curves.
And here is the UNEXPECTED WORKAROUND: doing a READ METADATA FROM FILES IT RESTORES THE TONE CURVES (and the 2010 process)! Upgrading the process to 2012 minimally changes the visual appearance again but now the strong tone curve is present and evident.

LR4 Tone Curve default

Why in LR4 is the Tone Curve default set to Custom with a contrast lowering curve? I would like the default to be linear, but I can't remember how I set that up in LR3.

You probably had a preset for your camera in default develop settings, set to LR3- linear tone curve?
And now you have changed it into LR4- linear and have saved this as new develop default?
On this forum we prefer to share findings, so that others can benefit from by reading about it... It is not enough if just your particular issue is solved.
Cornelia

LR4.1 - Tone Curve - how to adjust individual RGB channels?

Hi,
I am having trouble figuring out how to adjust the curve of individual RGB channels. I am assuming the LR4 Tone Curve works like the PS Curves dialog with the channel dropdown.
The LR4.1 Help says:
To make adjustments to individual points on the tone curve, choose an option from the Point Curve menu, click the Edit Point Curve button , and do any of the following:
Choose an option from the Channel pop-up menu. You can edit all three channels at once, or choose to edit the Red, Green, or Blue channel individually.
When I click the little icon in the lower right corner of the Tone Curve panel, the panel shrinks so that I don't see the Regions sliders. If I click again, they are visible again. I can't find where to select one of the three indvidual channels.
The Help refers to "the Point Curve menu." Where is the Point Curve menu? Is the Point Curve different from the Tone Curve?
If I right-click (Windows) in the curve dialog, the context menu has a Show Info option. I click it on/off and don't see any change or any info. Where should I be looking for info?
Thanks for any help here.
John

Good morning John,
The point curve is the one without the sliders. The adjustments for the individual channels are only available with
PV2012. You must be editing a file with PV2010 or 2003. When in PV2012 you will see " Channels: RGB" below the curve window. Click on the doule triangles following the RGB
to pick the individual channel.
HTH
Rich

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In upgrading from LR4 to LR5 the tone curve in development catalog is gone

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Clarity slider and tone curve in LR4

Why does the clarity slider seem different to me in LR4 (4.1 RC actually)? IN LR3 I loved that thing. I would ramp it up quite a bit with many photos. It would give it a nice crisp look. Now it seems as if it just makes my shots look like they have too much contrast. Also, when using the clarity brush, many times it seems as if where I paint it on it actually lightens it up. I havce had to look as see if I had the exposure tool on instead.
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If you want a PV2010 linear tone curve for PV2012, using the DNG Profile Editor (DPE):
* convert any raw file to DNG (if not already DNG)
* load it into the DPE
* Edit things if you want, except for the tone curve.
* Save the recipe.
* Load it (dcpr file) into a text editor.
* Replace the tone curve with this:
<dngclr:ToneCurve rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:Edit0 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>0</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>0</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit0>
<dngclr:Edit1 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>17</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>26</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit1>
<dngclr:Edit2 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>34</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>44</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit2>
<dngclr:Edit3 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>51</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>60</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit3>
<dngclr:Edit4 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>68</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>74</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit4>
<dngclr:Edit5 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>85</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>89</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit5>
<dngclr:Edit6 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>102</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>105</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit6>
<dngclr:Edit7 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>119</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>120</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit7>
<dngclr:Edit8 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>136</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>135</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit8>
<dngclr:Edit9 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>153</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>151</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit9>
<dngclr:Edit10 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>170</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>167</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit10>
<dngclr:Edit11 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>187</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>183</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit11>
<dngclr:Edit12 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>204</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>200</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit12>
<dngclr:Edit13 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>221</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>218</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit13>
<dngclr:Edit14 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>238</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>236</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit14>
<dngclr:Edit15 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>255</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>255</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit15>
</dngclr:ToneCurve>
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* Re-load the changed recipe in DPE
* Export a profile with a tone curve equivalent to PV2010 linear.
Note: The tone/point curve in Lightroom will not have any points on it that way.
PS - This procedure assumes you will be using the "Base Profile" for "Base Tone Curve" in order to achieve equivalence with PV2010 linear in PV2012 (for the same Cam-cal profile(s)). If what you want is a truly linear tone curve, select "Linear" as "Base Tone Curve".
Rob

New RGB tone curve is absent in my LR4 upgrade. How do I get it to emerge?

help please

Click on the little curve icon at the bottom right-hand corner of teh Tone Curve panel. See screenshot:

2012 Process Version Alters Exposure/Contrast/Tone Curve

In working with the LR4 beta, I've come across a couple odd results. I imported some image folders containing raw, tiff and jpeg. The images were updated to the 2012 Process Version on import. I noticed that I had not saved out the metadata on the raw files for earlier edits in LR3. I closed LR4, opened LR3, saved out the metadata, reopened LR4, read the metadata from the files and this, unsurprisingly, reverted them back to the 2010 Process Version. When I update the raw images to the 2012 Process Version, the Exposure is reduced by 1 stop and Contrast is set to -33. Additionally, a significant Tone Curve adjustment is made. No such alterations occur to tiff or jpeg files in toggling back and forth between 2010 and 2012.
Please advise.
Thanks.

Eric, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if they aren't going to 'look' the same then why would that be. Further, if no changes to the file were made (i.e., exposure, recovery, curves, etc) then why would there be such a radical change to the image on updating to a new process version?
As I noted earlier, I don't recall that updating to the 2010PV from the prior made such a change to images. In fact I just tried it. I switched back to 2003, then to 2010 then to 2012. No change to the image going from 2003 to 2010. Big change going from either 2003 to 2012 or 2010 to 2012. To my way of thinking, if I take an image processed with the 2010PV and am happy with the way it looks (it's displayed on my website, I've printed and sold it, etc.) then I update to the 2012 PV I shouldn't have to re-edit the image to get the same 'look'. I understand that due to the different controls some of the positions of the sliders may be different. But the two images shouldn't 'look' different. Take another example. If I've got a set of images from a commercial shoot, have edited them in LR and provided to the client, then I update those images to the 2012PV in LR 4 and the resulting images aren't the same, I've got to spend time (and money) re-editing to get back to what I had before. Does that seem right? It sure doesn't to me. It seems, actually, the exact opposite of what should be.
In the screen grabs above, this is a marked change to the image. It's categorically not just a difference in slider/control positions to get the same 'look'. It's a completely different image with a completely different look. The file has been radically altered. To me, that shouldn't be the case.
EDIT: I guess we were posting at the same time, Eric. Sorry, I understand the explanation but it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Adobe Standard profile for 5D mark II includes tone curve?

In ACR, I see a "Point" tone curve with the "Adobe Standard" profile on Canon 5d Mark II files.
I've never seen a tone curve before on standard profiles for other cameras. I understand that tone curves are included in the camera standard, faithful, portrait and landscape profiles in attempt to match the in-camera jpegs. But I thought the Adobe Standard profiles were supposed to target only color (hue/sat) and leave tone up to the user.
Can someone verify that your system includes a point tone curve on 5D2 raws. Maybe my config is messed up.

Dear Eric,
I have Photoshop/Bridge CS3 and Camera Raw Version 4.5.0.175 on Windows XP (SP2).
To "see" tone curves I launch Bridge, navigate to a folder, double-click a raw or DNG file and get the ACR window.
In the ACR window, I click on the "Camera Calibration" tab and navigate through the various Camera Profiles.
For each profile, I click on the "Tone Curve" tab and view both the "Parametric" and "Point" curves.
For canon 5D Mark II DNG files there is always a "Medium Contrast" Point Curve, under every camera profile. I do not have a Canon 1Ds Mark III, but I have downloaded a sample raw file and converted it to DNG. For this DNG I also see a Medium Contrast Point Curve under every profile.
For my Canon 20D and Canon 1Ds raw or DNG files the Point and Parametric curves are flat under every camera profile.
When I downloaded the latest DNG converter and DNG Profile Editor, I'm reasonably confident I also downloaded and installed the most current camera profiles.
For Canon 5D2 files I see the following profiles: Adobe Standard, Camera Faithful, Camera Landscape, Camera Neutral, Camera Portrait, and Camera Standard, in that order.
For the Canon 1DS Mark III image I see all those profiles, plus ACR 4.4 and ACR 4.3
For Canon 20D files I see all those profiles, plus ACR 4.4 and ACR 2.4
To make sure I'm not picking up any presets, I have invoked the pop-up menu in ACR and selected "Reset Camera Raw Defaults". Then, for each file viewed in ACR I checked the pop-up menu again to make sure "Camera Raw Defaults" was checked.
And a reminder, all this was after I had created a number of custom profiles from Macbeth Color Checker images using the DNG Profile Editor. Those custom profiles created a problem with Bridge previews, so I removed all of them before viewing Point Curves as described above. Still hoping to get some feedback on the Bridge preview problem I described in this message:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3bb6a869.59b790c8

Brush mode: Tone curve, etc

Well, I'm new for LR, I'm trying to tweak a certain part in the photo by using Tone curve and else, but I don't think the LR would allow me to do that in the "Brush Mode", am I correct?
Because, I need to change some parts in the photo by increasing only red or green or blue, or even highlight and shadow, but I can't do that like Aperture in Mac. Or I do miss any feature control panel in the LR?
Seem like the LR would not give flexibility when working in Brush Mode, is this correct?

mrkavin wrote:
...but sometime it's frustrated when stuck with the LR limitation along the way while the other can do.
I understand.
When I first tried Lightroom (1.4), I was a bit disappointed with the scope of the develop tools available (and did not buy it). When Lightroom 2 included Clarity and Locals it was a big improvement (and I bought it and started using it along with Nx2 & DxO & Photoshop), but it still seemed lean compared to some raw converters (Nx2 as example). I mean, what Lightroom does it does well, for the most part, but full-featured develop tools can not really be touted...
Lr3 is known as the release when Lightroom became a true professional-grade development tool in my opinion: image quality + lens corrections. I applaud Adobe's decision to do just that. No more front-ending with DxO or Nx2 or DPP or CaptureOnePro, or Photoshop + Noise Ninja... I love Lr3 .
Still, I'm hoping Lr4 is known as the release when Lightroom comes of age, develop-module-wise... (distraction removal, more locals, signature auto-masking technology, better color adjustment including rgb curves, ..., and of course fixing of highlight recovery). No more doing without or frequently processing with a pixel editor after basic adjustments in Lightroom... If they do this, I will really-really love Lr4 .
Then in Lr5, Faces & Places & GPS & Collages & HDR & Layers & DLNA Servers & Networked Catalogs, or whatever... - I wont care... (yeah right .
R

Abandon the Tone Curve?

I am finding that the new sliders in LR4 are extremely effective. I am wondering if routine Tone Curve adjustments are helpful any more. How do you feel about using the Basic Sliders for adjustments, and not using the Tone Curve? What would I be giving up by abandoning the Tone Curve?

EricBier wrote:
Jeff,
... I am at a loss to achieve precision using the Tone Curve in Lightroom since any move affects the entire image creating undesireable effects in areas I am not focused on. If I do not go to Photoshop, I tend to use the Adjustment Brush or the Graduated Filter in Lightroom to affect different areas differently, after setting the Basic Sliders.
In general, you are right--I find it best to go to PS for localized tone curve adjustments. But there are a surprising number of special cases where judicious maipulation of the LR curve can affect only the area you want affected.
For example, its an easy matter to bring out sky detail when photographing dark aircraft from below by increasing the curve slope in the bright region and restoring the curve shape at the mid and dark tones. This basically increases sky contrast (and detail) in a way that is not possible with other LR adjustments.
For the last few years I've been teaching a Photoshop class that emphasizes curves techniques like that in PS. I'm a new LR user and was surprised at how many images can be improved even without masks and with the relatively crude curve adjustments of LR.

Custom tone curve

When I adjust RGB values on the curve (eg I pull down the blue to warm things up a bit) the "linear" in the option menu below the curve changes to "custom". When I then change the tone curve to medium or strong contrast, it nicely obeys and thus so, but what then surprises me is that the Blue curve in the RGB settings is again totally flattened out...does it retain the prior adjustment or does it just ignore it ? I only noticed just now on a relatively ok picture so it's easily enough to check but still it's odd that an earlier slider adjustment seems to disappear.
Anyone who can enlighten me on this ?
Tx. Frederic

Not sure if I understand. Let me try to explain my workflow : usually i start with camera profile (i'm a landscape guy) then basic panel tweaks,color temp if needed, a bit of the cool shadows/highlights, some blacks,clarity etc. then perhaps a graduated filter or lens profile...i hardly ever use the contrast slider (I never liked it in previous LR versions and haven't really touched it now) - BUT then my next move usually is to fool around with the tone curve, before (LR3) mostly via the sliders, now (LR4) mostly via the presets (linear,medium,strong) because I get confused between highlights/whites in BP then highlights/lights etc in TC panel, so I don't bother with those sliders in the TC panel anymore and I just click the presets. Now at long last back to my question : sometimes I try to use the new tone curve RGB to correct a blue tone or so, and then the preset name changes into "custom" and at the same time the curve nicely slopes the way I nudged it. When I then click on one of the presets in tone curve to L,M, or Strong the curve readjusts again.if I then check back on RGB blue channel again there is a nice straight diagonal as if nothing ever happened but the color tone seems to be preserved..net net it seems to do the right things to the pictures but the curve tells something different and that's what I don't get...
Sorry for the all the talk but I don't know how to explain it better. Perhaps I should just post a video of the dam thing.
Cheers. Frederic

How do I set a preset in LR to import all files from my computer with a Medium Tone Curve?

I edit a file in PS, and LR informs me that the "metadata for the file has been changed." I opt for import settings from disk (my changes), but in doing so the file is always rendered with a linear tone curve. What I am seeking is to have the file that I've been working on PS, be with the same rendering in LR.
Thank you,
S

I just followed your workflow. In other words I used the "edit in" option to send an image to Photoshop where I made a significant change in the tone curve. Then I saved that image, which returned to Lightroom. The Lightroom tone curve still displayed as a linear curve. In other words it didn't reflect the changes that I made in Photoshop. However the image itself displayed the changes that were made. So apparently saving your PSD in Photoshop will not force Lightroom to display the Photoshop changes. As far as Lightroom is concerned, that is the new linear curve. The only curve adjustments you will see in Lightroom are the ones made using Lightroom.
To summarize what I'm trying to say, whatever you change the curve to in Photoshop becomes the linear curve in Lightroom. Sorry that I am so poor with words sometimes.

Where are the Tone Curve presets in the Lightroom Presets folder?

Hi
I have recenty had to reinstall all my software, and manged to find most of my old Lightroom settings in the Lightroom Presets folder (inside the Appdata folder on a PC) but I seem to have lost my custom tone curves.
Do you know which folder they should be in (indise the Lightroom Presets folder)
Thanks in advance
PS: I STILL don't understand why there are TWO comminty forums for Lightroom; it just doesn't make sense to me?!
Edward

Edward Allen wrote:
PS: I STILL don't understand why there are TWO comminty forums for Lightroom; it just doesn't make sense to me?!
You aren't the only one, and neither is going away any time soon.

I am working in the Develop module of Lightroom 5 and have accidentally bumped a setting and lost the Basic menu and the option to retrieve it. "Tone curve" is directly under the tool bar now. How can I retrieve the "Basic" menu?

How can I retrieve the "Basic" menu on Lightroom 5? I accidentally bumped something while working in the Develop module of Lightroom 5, and now the Tone Curve menu is directly under the Tool Bar, with no option to click on "Basic."

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