Clarity slider and tone curve in LR4

Why does the clarity slider seem different to me in LR4 (4.1 RC actually)? IN LR3 I loved that thing. I would ramp it up quite a bit with many photos. It would give it a nice crisp look. Now it seems as if it just makes my shots look like they have too much contrast. Also, when using the clarity brush, many times it seems as if where I paint it on it actually lightens it up. I havce had to look as see if I had the exposure tool on instead.
Also, I swear a "medium contrast" tone curve setting is different now as well. This was the default setting in LR3. Now default is linear. But if I apply a medium curve from the drop down, it looks over cooked? What the heck? Are these things just me? BTW I am working RAW files. Thanks

If you want a PV2010 linear tone curve for PV2012, using the DNG Profile Editor (DPE):
* convert any raw file to DNG (if not already DNG)
* load it into the DPE
* Edit things if you want, except for the tone curve.
* Save the recipe.
* Load it (dcpr file) into a text editor.
* Replace the tone curve with this:
<dngclr:ToneCurve rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:Edit0 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>0</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>0</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit0>
<dngclr:Edit1 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>17</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>26</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit1>
<dngclr:Edit2 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>34</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>44</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit2>
<dngclr:Edit3 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>51</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>60</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit3>
<dngclr:Edit4 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>68</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>74</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit4>
<dngclr:Edit5 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>85</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>89</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit5>
<dngclr:Edit6 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>102</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>105</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit6>
<dngclr:Edit7 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>119</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>120</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit7>
<dngclr:Edit8 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>136</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>135</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit8>
<dngclr:Edit9 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>153</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>151</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit9>
<dngclr:Edit10 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>170</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>167</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit10>
<dngclr:Edit11 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>187</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>183</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit11>
<dngclr:Edit12 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>204</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>200</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit12>
<dngclr:Edit13 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>221</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>218</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit13>
<dngclr:Edit14 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>238</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>236</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit14>
<dngclr:Edit15 rdf:parseType="Resource">
<dngclr:X>255</dngclr:X>
<dngclr:Y>255</dngclr:Y>
</dngclr:Edit15>
</dngclr:ToneCurve>
* Re-save the file in your text editor
* Re-load the changed recipe in DPE
* Export a profile with a tone curve equivalent to PV2010 linear.
Note: The tone/point curve in Lightroom will not have any points on it that way.
PS - This procedure assumes you will be using the "Base Profile" for "Base Tone Curve" in order to achieve equivalence with PV2010 linear in PV2012 (for the same Cam-cal profile(s)). If what you want is a truly linear tone curve, select "Linear" as "Base Tone Curve".
Rob

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