Markers disappearing on merged clips fix?

In Premiere Pro CC when I create markers on merged clips they disappear when I move to a new clip. Is this a bug that is going to be fixed in an upcoming update?
I began using Prelude to add markers and it's working very well. Once a marker is created in Prelude it appears in the merged clip. So far I've had great luck with it but it would be nice to have the option to do it right in Premiere.
-Tim

It's a bug on Premiere Pro. In the meantime, we've figured out a pretty good workaround that allows you to retain all your markers and lets you work with the new file like a clip (and not a sequence).
Say you want to merge 1 video and several audio tracks from a recorder. Instead of making a merged clip, select your video clip and a RANDOM 2nd video clip (which we will be deleting). Right clip and select multi camera source sequence. Now right click on the newly made multiclip and select open in timeline. this allows you to edit our new multiclip. Go ahead and delete that 2nd random video clip. Next, drop in your audio tracks. Then, toggle on or off the audio channels you want. (maybe you want to mute your camera masters). Last, close up the multiclip sequence. You are now ready to mark away.
One last bonus; if you have sunk improperly, you can open the multi-clip back up and adjust the audio to fit.

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Some questions/findings - Merged Clips, Markers, Match Frame, Source Clips etc

Hi,
Working on my second long form project with CC (1 hour + timelines) and am encountering some problems with merged clips.
Problem 1 - So I do all my markers in a video clip (which can take hours). I add names and copy the names into the markers notes. I then merge the clips (video with sound) and the markers are there but all the notes have gone. This doesn't always happen but it happens enough for me to have been looking for answers as its completely wasted time.
Problem 2 - More variations of lost markers. In some cases I have put markers on sound clips. Merged with video and the markers are there but all names and comments have gone.
Problem 3 - Merged clips - I am sharing the project with another editor (I am PC based and he is Mac based). I set everything up so he has a mirror of my files and folder structure. I send him new edits (timelines) and some merged clips work fine sometimes the audio goes offline. This can also be reversed. He sends me edits and sometimes the merged clips work fine and sometimes the audio disappears. The real problem comes when you have then lost your markers on the video and audio and end up having no idea where the in points are as the match frame doesn't work on merged clips. It only matches the frame on the merged clip and not the source clip.
Problem 4 - Clips going offline but they are online. I get this quite often, mainly with sound (recorded on a zoom recorder - STE-001.wav etc). Quite often it will say the clip is offline so I click to "locate" and it directs me to the file but it has seemingly not linked it. So CC knows where the clip is... I just have to select it and its linked. Why does it come up as offline/locate when it's in exactly the same place it was and the CC path takes me straight to the clip?
What I need to be able to do with merged clips is;
1 - I need to be able to easily get to the source material for each merged clip. Say for example I put a merged clip in a timeline.. and the audio has seemingly gone offline. If I click the audio I would like to go back to the merged clip and then select if I need to go back to the audio or video for said merged clip and for match frame to be frame accurate on the audio and video. I used to live by this in Avid. Reveal in project is great but again it takes me to the merged clip and not the source clips. Surely there is a way to get back to the source clips Audio/Video?
2 - I need to have a way that marker information will not get lost in merged clips... EVER!!! I really can't pinpoint why it happens or when it happens but it happens, too often. Some clips it seems fine and then all of a sudden the info is gone. Once it's gone there's no way of getting it back. I need to be able to 100% save the marker info. Even if it's as a separate word doc or something. A documentary with maybe 20-+ hours of interviews... all logged nicely via markers and then for me to randomly lose marker info is absolutely not up to scratch. PLEASE SORT IT
Finally.... I am still posting in the PP forum. is there not a dedicated CC forum yet? I couldn't find it.. am I missing something? Makes it real hard in Google if I have to go through PP posts as well.
Thanks

This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
Insert/overwrite with merged clips on 3-point edit now works, but ONLY when cutting in BOTH merged video+audio... if you're just trying to cut in the audio from a merged clip using a 3-point/4-point edit via hotkey, it's a no-go.
I, for example, needed to re-cut in audio under some video with effects on it. So, I unpatched the video source completely and patched source audio tracks 1-4 to the appropriate sequence tracks. Upon hitting insert or overwrite multiple times, nothing responds. The only way to cut anything in from the source (merged clip) was to patch the source video back into the timeline on an unused video track, then cut ALL the tracks from the source in, I then had to delete the video track re-link the now free audio to the original video. Not a big deal, but annoying enough & waste of precious time on tight deadline.
So, yeah, I have a workaround but is still not appropriate to have a core function not work properly. Especially when I'm working with a very complicated timeline.
That said, thanks for keeping on top of our gripes, Mark.

Merged clips - are they all bugs or is there something wrong with my system?

I have to use merged clips to sync video and audio because making every clip a sequence is too cumbersome and doesn't give me thumbnails to help choose my shots. Apparently, merged clips are very buggy. I can't use colored markers because they don't get saved on merged clips. I can't use match frame on merged clips because they don't find the correct frame. I can't set a poster frame on a merged clip except with the "in" marker. Are all those problems bugs, or is there something wrong with my specific system. I trashed preferences to fix another problem unrelated to merged clips, but that didn't solve any of the clip problems.

I don't believe there's anything wrong with your system.

MASSIVE Merged clip BUG

I've been working on a feature film and recently relinked my project to a different drive. All media files were found and located and everything is linked properly.
Some audio on clips that were merged are now not being recognized by premiere, I can't hear anything coming from them. If I look at the sequence some clips are fine and show the correct audio and some are gone, no waveforms present.
Roughly 50% of my project seems liked it has to be resynced.
Markers on Merged clips don't work either and you can't see thumbnails on merged clips. Adobe please fix this issue, this is super detrimental to long form projects on tight deadlines. I have seen other people with merged clip issues but I have not heard anything from Adobe.
Thank You

I agree with perplexity over Adobe silence on this issue. I am lucky I caught it relatively early and managed to bail to other editing software, because I won't have three days at the end of my project to track down clips that were lost in the merge.
The fact that they are not addressing this suggests that Adobe wants to sell the feature but not support it. Disappointing.

Is there a way of getting Merged Clips into After Effects?

Hi,
When I import my premiere pro project into After effects (NOT VIA DYNAMIC LINK as we don't have prod. prem.) After Effects only sees the clips which aren't merged. Any fixes sensible work arounds for this, as currently I'm havbing to import the project ( a feature film...!) into Final Cut Pro then using Automatic Duck export out an AAF then using Automtaic Duck import that into After Effects. I haven't thought about how to get it back into premiere yet...will probably finish it off in FCP.

I'm not sure if you have the capability, but did you try copying from your premiere sequence and then pasting into your after fx timeline? i was working with a MUCH shorter video with a mix of merged clips (interview footage) and video clips (b-roll). the video clips imported, but the merged clips did not. i put the timeline cursor to the right point in the after fx timeline, copied the premiere clip from the sequence, pasted it into after fx.

How do I edit a merged clip in Audition, that was created in premiere to correct the synchronisation, and have it all updated to the premiere clip?

Hello,
How do I edit a merged clip in Audition, that was created in premiere to correct the synchronisation, and have it all updated to the premiere clip?
I have tried several tutorials but these either:
- show correction in premiere sequence (which is not practical; given the huge number of files we have)
- or show the editing in audition of a sequence, not the clip.
We have started merging audio and video (removing the original audio during merge) but some of the merged clips are out of sync, so we need to correct manually, BUT we want to correct the merged clip, which may or may not end up being used, so we do not want to take it to the sequence as all we are doing is prepare the synced files for editing.
Any idea how I can correct the synchronisation in Audition?, when I right click on clip and select "Edit in Adobe Audition" I get a list of files but not a multitrack session where I can see my video and audio tracks.

if premiere pro doesn't sync your footage properly, and you have a huge number of files, you may want to look at pluraleyes. there is a demo, and if it works properly, it would save you time to have it done right the first time, instead of tracking down random merged clips with bad sync.
premiere will either export a complete sequence or "edit clip in audition". the edit clip will create a copy of the original audio and open that in audition. there is no dynamic link, its just an audio file open in two programs at the same time. since there is no dynamic link, its not possible to bring merged clips into audition.
Adobe Premiere Pro Help | Synchronizing audio and video with Merge Clips
Once created, the merged clip cannot be re-synchronized, or adjusted. You must make a new merged clip.
Merged clip audio results in mono track audio only.Final Cut Pro XML and AAF interchange formats are not supported.
this doesn't give me much hope that audition or any other adobe program outside of premiere will help you fix the problem merged clips.

Encore chapter markers which move with clip

Problem: Encore chapter markers which move with clip
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I have 9 sequences with each containing 4 Encore chapter markers. As expected in the real world, the end users continually want edits to the sequences. If I razor out a piece of a clip in the sequence, the Encore chapter markers stay fixed to the time ruler and do not move with the clip. As a result, one has to manually move each Encore chapter marker to re-align with the proper location on a clip. This is time consuming and makes no sense. Is there anyway for the Encore chapter markers to act like clip markers so they move with edits?
If not, does someone have a plugin which would look at the Encore chapter markers in a sequence and place corresponding clip markers on Video 1. After editing, the plugin could re-align the Encore chapter markers with their respective clip markers.

What is needed are Encore Chapter Clip Markers so Encore markers follow the clip. Just as you would move the current-time indicator to the frame where you want an Encore chapter point and then right click (Windows) in the time ruler and choose the type of marker, a new context menu item "Encore Chapter Clip Marker" would be available which would place an Encore chapter marker on the clip in the currently selected video track. With this, one could edit the sequence and know the Encore chapter point is still at the same frame of the clip.
I encourage others to either copy this feature description or their own version and submit it to the Feature Request Page for Premiere.
Feature Request Page
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
One should submit this Feature to both Premiere and Encore since both are effected. By the way, Encore has a Feature Request user form you may also want to submit this to. Premiere does not appear to have a Feature Request user form so I used the Feature Request Page mentioned above.

FCP 7 "Merge Clips" Lost Audio

I export my audio from soundtrack (needed to fix noise) and I create an AIF file.. exports fine and plays in its entirety (in multiple different programs).. Import the AIF file into FCP 7 and the file plays fine in its entirety also... Then when I "Merge clips" the last 10% of audio goes dead when synced to video? same problem, multiple clips.. every time. any ideas?? I know from trying multiple different programs to play the audio that its a good working file. But the last minute or so of every clip has no audio playing.. but DOES show there is WAVEFORM??

I should have added that the video plays just fine in the preview panel above the checkboxes. Thanks for helping...

Merged clips won't reconnect

I have a film project that was shot with with seperate sound. I have gone in and make subclips of all takes in the film transfer and aif audio file. I have then merged each clip using IN points and made a cut using them. yesterday I exported the whole project as an xml and passed the project to another editor. Importing that xml give me what look like the proper clips but the merged clips won't reconnect to the audio properly. And it also looks like all the 'merged' clips have changed from their original lengths (12 secs, 30 secs) to long durations of 48 minutes, 1:09:00... the full lengths of my master clips. Something has gone awry with these merged clips. Can't find much in the archives... anyone seen and fixed any issues with reconnecting merged clips?

I have search message boards far and wide to find this answer.. the only thing I've found thus far is one user who had this happen said the metadata of his audio clips became corrupted.

Trim mode with merged clips

I'm cutting a feature film on FCP 5.0.4 editing 23.98 NTSC DVCAM. The audio was recorded on a hard disk recorder with independent timecode and the clips were merged using slates.
If I enter trim mode by double clicking on the video track (with the purpose of trimming only the video track) and change the duration by clicking on the +/-1 or 5 frame buttons, the picture will suddenly jump by 5 or 6 seconds and the white "out shift" or "in shift" numbers will jump 5 or 6 seconds as well. Dynamic trimming has the same problem.
However, the actual edit made is correct, it's just impossible to see what frame I'm on without playing it back or getting out of trim mode. If I trim the audio and video tracks together then everything works as it should.
Has anyone seen this problem before? Know how to fix it? I couldn't find anything in the archives.

I created a new user account and trashed my preferences and I have the same problems. I created a new project, and new sequences. Same problems.
It only happens with 23.98 (batch reverse telecined using Cinema Tools) NTSC DV clips that have been merged with separate 24-bit 48 khz Quicktime audio clips (converted from BWF using BWF2XML). Clips that were captured from the tape with audio and video simultaneously don't have this problem. The discrepancies between the actual amounts trimmed and the white numbers in the trim windows are consistent. If it's off by 6:10 on a clip, every time I try to trim that clip it will be off by the same amount. But the number varies from clip to clip. It's generally 5-8 seconds.
If I try to trim only the audio, I don't have any trouble. If I trim the audio and video at the same time I don't have any trouble. It's only when I trim the video on its own. If I use the original video clip before it's merged with an audio track then it trims fine. If I cut the merged clip into a sequence then delete the audio track from the sequence the problem remains.

No three point edit with merged clips in Premiere Pro CC 7.2?

Hello Premiere Folk,
I've recently, as of last night, updated to Premiere Pro CC 7.2. I'm currently cutting a feature using merged 5K red raw clips. We were expereicning some weird things but were able to work around them. The update fixed to major problems we were having;
1. Bloating projects going from 808kb to 5mb for no reason.
2. Not being able to perform a match frame on merged clips.
The update fixed these issues, but don't throw on your party hats just yet. Within this update a fuction CRUCIAL to any editor has been taken away after you've performed a merged clip function... THE EDIT! Any time I make an in and out point in my source with a merged clip and an in and out in my timeline and try to do an insert edit via a hotkey, it just edits the entire clip in the timeline starting with a radnom in point! I was able to set an in and out in my source and just edit into the timeline but even that function has been taken away. Adobe please fix this! Yes the match frame with a merged clip works but dont take away editing basics!

This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
Insert/overwrite with merged clips on 3-point edit now works, but ONLY when cutting in BOTH merged video+audio... if you're just trying to cut in the audio from a merged clip using a 3-point/4-point edit via hotkey, it's a no-go.
I, for example, needed to re-cut in audio under some video with effects on it. So, I unpatched the video source completely and patched source audio tracks 1-4 to the appropriate sequence tracks. Upon hitting insert or overwrite multiple times, nothing responds. The only way to cut anything in from the source (merged clip) was to patch the source video back into the timeline on an unused video track, then cut ALL the tracks from the source in, I then had to delete the video track re-link the now free audio to the original video. Not a big deal, but annoying enough & waste of precious time on tight deadline.
So, yeah, I have a workaround but is still not appropriate to have a core function not work properly. Especially when I'm working with a very complicated timeline.
That said, thanks for keeping on top of our gripes, Mark.

Merged clips and modified audio channels bug/issue

My problem is that if I create a merged clip and modify it's audio channels Premiere (both CC and CC2014) does not respect the modification under specific circumstances. These circumstances are: if I use keyboard shortcuts or the source window buttons for overwrite/insert to cut the merged clip into a timeline. However, if I drag & drop the clip from the source window or from a bin into the timeline Premiere will respect the audio channels set through modify audio channels.
Here are steps needed to create my problem. You will need a video clip and an audio clip with at least two channels to reproduce this.
1. Create a merged clip from the video and audio. Does not matter if you have "Remove audio from AV clip" enabled or not.
2. Right click on the merged clip in the bin and select Modify -> Audio Channels.
3. Set the merged clip's audio channels to Number of Audio Tracks: 1, Channel Format: Mono. Set the source channel for Audio 1 to anything except Channel 1. Click OK.
4. Make sure you have the merged clip open in the source monitor. Use keyboard shortcuts (. or ,) or the insert/overwrite buttons in the source monitor to cut the clip into a sequence.
5. The merged clip in the sequence will use channel 1 for audio, even though it has been set to use another channel.
6. Now try drag & dropping the merged clip from either the source monitor or from a bin into the sequence. It will now use the audio channel that has been set through modify audio channels.
My workaround is to use drag & drop for now for affected clips, but in the long run this is a pain in the backside.
My question is if this is something that affects other users as well. And while I'm waiting for a fix, if anyone has any suggestions on how to get modified audio channels to work properly, I will gladly listen.
I have filed a bug report for this. I have reproduced this on multiple Windows 7 machines with Premiere Pro CC and on two Macs with both CC and CC 2014.
EDIT to add: I have been in discussion with Rameez from Adobe about this through the support chat and have been told that this is working as intended. He suggested I post a thread about it to see how other editors feel about the functionality. I personally feel that the way it works now makes no sense at all. If others feel the same way, maybe this issue can be fixed in a future update. So please make your voice heard.
EDIT to add: In most usage this might not be an issue at all. But if for example you have external audio on multiple channels and to make sure you have a clean timeline, you wish to remove extra tracks from your merged clips and those extra tracks happen to be any track before the last one(s), you will find that editing the merged clip in in any other way than drag & dropping it in the sequence will result in you losing those last tracks instead of any tracks in the middle that you have disable through modify audio channels. I would think that the audio channel modifications should work no matter what way you cut the merged clip in.
Message was edited by: Jaakko Rinne

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
Pre-workflow Project File
Label all Video and Audio files to match Scene #'/Takes
Set in points on all video and audio to reflect slate
Merge Clips
Working Project File
Import only Merged Clips into Project. Either via import or copy/paste
Now I've done this workflow from just about the very beginning. Deleting all of the original source video and all audio clips from my working project so only my bins containing my merged clips remain. Have had no problems and edit has been smooth. Did a pickup day last week, followed same steps as I've done in the past, imported the merged clips into my working project and the clips have the audio set to none by default. Now once I go into the sequence I can manually set it and it's there but I cannot play audio in the source monitor which is how I edit, there's no reason I should have to go back to the crappy FCP way of editing doing the copy and paste from a sequence.

Sync problem with Merge Clips options in PP CC

Hello
First post in the Adobe Communities! I'm glad to be a port of it
I'm editing a short film and I've started using the Merge Clips option to do the syncing of image and sound, together with the "In Points" option as the Synchronize Point. When I sync material I like it to be exact and perfect, therefor I use the Audio Time Units option to do so, to insert my in-points, but when I Merge Clips the result isn't as exact as I told it to be, the audio clips are slightly out of sync, very slightly but annoyingly, and it seems to ignore my workflow, or adjust it self or something. I was wondering if the Merge Clips option supports when you use Audio Time Units option to set the in-points for syncing, or if there is any other option or work-around to get the syncing perfect. OR, is it suppose to be like this when syncing? I hope not. I'm not sure but I think I hear an echo effect in the merged clip as well, very minimal though.
The screenshots are zoomed in on with the "Show Audio Time Limits" option on.
I want it to be like this...
...But it end up like this when I Merge Clips
Thanks for reading, hoping someone can help me out!
Best Regards,
Daniel

Thanks, I suppose I can start batch-converting my mjpg movies before importing them inte PE7, if that would make this problem disappear. I'll try that (I have FormatFactory installed, but VirtualDub seems like a nice tool if that is better), although that would make the process a bit more long-winded...
Regarding GSPOT info on a file that works and one doesn't, there are typically no difference between them (except length and content, of course). In fact, as I mentioned above, the same movie did not work until I did some reinstalling, clearing caches etc. Then the same movie suddenly worked OK again.
I attach the GSPOT info on that file.
(I never had this problem on my older XP system that run PE2...).
I will try converting to see if the problem disappears.
Thanks!
// G

Missing Audio with Merged Clips

I'm experienced a very confusion and frustating kink in clip merging process. I suspect other people have encountered it before, but I can't find where. I'll post tech details at the end.
I merged clips by marking an in point on the audio and an in point on the video. I placed both clips in to my timeline. I deleted the stereo track that came with the video. I linked the 4 mono channels to the video, and dragged them over to a bin, where it asked me to name the merged clip, and I named it according to the scene.
I had no problems working with them
Upon returning to my work, however, some of the audio seems to be missing. That is, the top of the four mono tracks is there, but the other three, while there in the timeline, play no sound - they don't have any waveforms anymore (it is not any kind of mute track issue, the waveforms themselves are gone).
I have since tried merging clips directly in the media browser, using in points, and this seems to resolve the problem. While I am happy to see a solution for the future, I am on a very tight deadline and don't have the time to re-merge all of my hundreds of clips.
This is an awful bug that Adobe has got to fix.
Thanks!
Shot on canon 5D
From Properties:
"Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 1.3 GB
Image Size: 1920 x 1080
Frame Rate: 23.976
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - Stereo
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo"
Audio on dual system (unsure of which model):
From Properties:
"Type: Windows WAVE audio file
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 24 bit - Mono
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono"
Premiere Pro 5.5, most recent update.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit, most recent update.
ASUS G53JW
Intel Core i7 Q740 @ 1.73Ghz
8Gb Ram
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M

I created a new user account and trashed my preferences and I have the same problems. I created a new project, and new sequences. Same problems.
It only happens with 23.98 (batch reverse telecined using Cinema Tools) NTSC DV clips that have been merged with separate 24-bit 48 khz Quicktime audio clips (converted from BWF using BWF2XML). Clips that were captured from the tape with audio and video simultaneously don't have this problem. The discrepancies between the actual amounts trimmed and the white numbers in the trim windows are consistent. If it's off by 6:10 on a clip, every time I try to trim that clip it will be off by the same amount. But the number varies from clip to clip. It's generally 5-8 seconds.
If I try to trim only the audio, I don't have any trouble. If I trim the audio and video at the same time I don't have any trouble. It's only when I trim the video on its own. If I use the original video clip before it's merged with an audio track then it trims fine. If I cut the merged clip into a sequence then delete the audio track from the sequence the problem remains.

Trim mode 'wrong frame' problems when using merged clips

Hello there,
We are having a problem with the trim mode on FCP 6.0.4. We're working with 1080psf 24 Apple ProRes 422 material, captured using a AJA Kona card.
The sound and picture were recorded separately, and synced manually (by creating merged clips) in FCP.
When we go into the trim window, it shows a different frame as the incoming or outgoing frame on some clips. In other words it's not actually showing us the real frame before or after the cut. Instead it shows a frame that's half a second back, for example. When we preview the cut, it cuts in the 'right' place, but when we pause and try to fine cut the transition using +1 keys (or trim back/forward keys), it shows us the wrong frame. When we preview it again, the cut is still in the 'right' place - not the frame represented when it's stilled. This makes using trim mode nigh-on impossible since it's not actually showing you the frames you're cutting.
Are there any patches or workarounds to fix this issue? I can't find any fixes on forums/help sites or the FCP manual.
Tried trashing prefs, repairing disk permissions and all the usual maintenance stuff!
Exporting new Quicktimes of the merged clips and then re-importing them is not an option, as they need to be timecode accurate to be recaptured for the online and vfx work.
Any advice would be much appreciated - if no solutions exist we'll have to switch everything over to Avid, and that'd be a mammoth job.
Many thanks in advance!

You may not be zoomed in enough in the Timeline window, the more you zoom in, the more detailed edit you can perform. Zoom out too much, and you won't have the sensitivity.

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