Mobile media query adjustments effecting desktop - Fluid Grid Layouts

Why do css changes in mobile media queries cascade through to the desktop view, and where is the freakin manual for all this stuff? I still can't get my head around why anyone would want this. Mobile is the least of my concern, as it's less than 12% of my traffic. Desktop first! Any help?

First off. Watch your mouth Ben. We are Adobe customers. This is s Dreamweaver forum, correct? Where's the desktop first method in Dreamweaver?
So you're saying how can design be more important that the user experience??? BECAUSE IT STARTS WITH DESIGN.
I have spent countless hours working directly with Adobe and many others in an effort to help answer some of these FGL Dreamweaver questions,a and maybe help create some useful workarounds. Nancy has helped me with several things successfully in the distant and recent past and I do appreciate her efforts. I think I said that.
Did you just want pick out one tiny insignificant thing and use the forum to come beat me up?
Second, where were you when this question was asked previously? (and not only by me) Now all of the sudden, you chime in with more redundant information.
Third, this topic is widely discussed everywhere and is often frequent frustration by many skilled designers and developers. Why are we doing this?
Fourth, if a clients mobile traffic is less than 15-20%, mobile is not my focus, but responsive is. And Dreamweaver is our tool.
With that said, I don't prefer that mobile media queries override my desktop media queries. But I do respect the mobile user experience.
We survey all of our customers. So far, about half of them have said that they prefer the desktop site on their mobile devices, and hate most mobile sites, and get angry when there's not option to view the desktop site. We are currently working on a switch for this. So there goes 50% of those "user experiences" Another large percentage doesn't care. And a select few do. But I think it depends on the site. If it's your bank, you want mobile. If it's a wedding planner, a desktop will win out. These are real numbers. Not some Hype.
Im not understanding how mobile media queries overriding desktop is useful when using Dreamweaver/html5boilerplate for a simple responsive design. (unless there's something am missing) We have used the program for over 10 years now, and will continue to use all Adobe's products and realize it's work in progress.
Would you please post some of your web work. Maybe I can learn the answers from you. Or a portfolio.
OR maybe you can answer a question specifically. display:block is overriding desktop display:anything.

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.ir br { display: none; }
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          dw-gutter-percentage:          25;
          Inspiration from "Responsive Web Design" by Ethan Marcotte
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          width: 100%;
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          padding-left: 1%;
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          clear: both;
          float: left;
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          height:5px;
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I really do appreciate your efforts to help me solve this problem... Thank you in advance

Height is determined by content. I can't think of a single reason to have a div height of 5px because almost nothing will fit inside that small a space without problems.
As to why it doesn't show up in other devices, you must have put that style into the Tablet CSS code instead of the default Mobile CSS code.
Fluid Grids build up from Mobile (applied to everything) with specific rules for Tablets, then Desktops.
Best advice, use Fluid Grids for layout only. Use a separate CSS file for content styles.
Hope this helps,
Nancy O.

How to Scale Images in a Table in Fluid Grid Layout?

I copied over a table full of mouseover images into my new fluid grid layout. It all works fine, but in Mobile mode, all the images are compressed horizontally. How do I fix this?
http://savcp.com/howwemet-fluid.html

Strip out your table code with F&R. You could greatly reduce your code & page load by using CSS instead of image swap behaviors. Same size images would produce a nicer appearance, too.
Below, I used floated <p> tags as containers for pictures. Copy & paste this into a new, blank document and SaveAs test.html. Preview in browsers with various viewport widths to see the effect.
<!doctype html>
<html>
<head>
<meta charset="utf-8">
<title>HTML5 document</title>
<style>
body { background: #222 }
/**BEGIN PICS**/
-moz-box-sizing: border-box;
-webkit-box-sizing: border-box;
box-sizing: border-box;
#pics {
width: 100%;
overflow:hidden;
margin: 55px auto;
border: 1px solid silver;
#pics p {
float: left;
width: 24%;
text-align: center;
/**space between**/
margin: 0 0.25%;
border: 1px solid #222;
#pics img {
max-width: 100%;
border: 5px solid #333;
/**opacity on linked pics**/
#pics a img {
/**for pre-IE8**/
filter: alpha(opacity=90);
/**for other browsers**/
opacity: .90;
/**on mouseover**/
#pics a img:hover, #pics a img:active, #pics a img:focus {
filter: alpha(opacity=100);
opacity: 1.0;
border-color: #09C;
/**ADJUST BREAKPOINTS AS REQUIRED**/
/* Special Rules for Mobiles */
@media only screen and (max-width: 480px) {
#pics p{    height:110px;}
/* Special Rules for Tablets */
@media only screen and (min-width: 481px) {
#pics p{    height:175px;}
/* Special Rules for Desktops */
@media only screen and (min-width: 600px) {
#pics p{    height:255px;}
/**end PICS**/
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div id="pics">
<p><a href="howwemet/mb3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/mb2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="ww3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/ww2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="bs3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/bs2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="rr3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/rr2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="howwemet/mb3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/mb2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="ww3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/ww2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="bs3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/bs2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="rr3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/rr2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="howwemet/mb3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/mb2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="ww3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/ww2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="bs3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/bs2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="rr3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/rr2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="wk3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/wk2.gif">
</a></p>
<p><a href="ss3.html">
<img src="http://savcp.com/images/story/ss2.gif">
</a></p>

</div>
</body>
</html>
Nancy O.

How can I convert my web page from a fixed width layout to a fluid grid layout?

I'm taking a web design class (I'm using Dreamweaver CS6, btw) wherein the professor started us out building our websites in a fixed width layout but now I want to change my site into a fluid grid layout. My "site" so far is just one long page, and I've already designed it with fluid grid adjustments in mind (most things are centered in the layout) so it shouldn't need excessive tweaking.
Is there a way to duplicate the site folder that holds my first page, re-open a new document in fluid, then copy the code in and tweak the width parameters for the different layouts?
Did I just answer my own question? Help - I am new at this!!
Thanks all,
KC

Herbert2001 wrote:
A bit off-topic, but Osgood: have you ever used SASS or LESS? When you are building your own grid systems it can save you a tremendous amount of time, and it's a lot of fun.
Take the following simple example - it generates all the 23 css classes automatically for a 12 grid system. And simply changing one variable allows you to create and calculate any number of columns!
//variables
$desktop: 1025px;
$large-columns: 12;
@media only screen and (min-width: $desktop) {
     //regular grid span classes
    @for $i from 1 through $large-columns {
        .span-large-#{$i} {
            width: percentage($i/$large-columns);
     // push classes
    @for $i from 1 through (($large-columns)-1) {
        .push-large-#{$i} {
            margin-left: percentage($i/$large-columns);
No, not explored it yet, and may never....I don't know. I don't really make much money out of web design. It's becoming more and more difficult to find the desire to learn new techniques when the opportunities aren't really there to put them into practice on as regular basis as I would like. I've got a very good handle on css, php, html, jQuery - I'm not sure I want to add another layer at the moment, given I'm never quite sure how long I will continue to 'bang my head against the wall' . I'm getting to the stage where I keep asking myself do I really need the problems associated with learning new stuff to the point of being comfortable with it if the financial rewards at the end don't equate to the efforts of learning it.
I don't really enjoy web development if truth is known. I come from a Graphic Design background which I much prefer but somehow got side tracked and pushed in this direction and there's no way back now, lol. Whilst I concede Web Development is much more exciting its also 100 times more complex/difficult and the skills needed are considerably more.
Your example looks interesting and I should think I could pick it up reasonably easily given I work with php which uses variables on a similar basis.

DW6 fluid grid layout issue: writes to page instead of css file

Using DW6 (version 12, owned, build 5861) on Windows 7 64 bit.
Following tutorials and the help files to use the fluid grid layout.
Start a blank page on a new site, which inserts the starter div and new css file
Immediately save page, which also generates/saves ancillary files (js and css).
Remove inner div that's created in order to use my own (have also tried leaving the default one in place and using that)
Insert new div, within the "gridContainer clearfix" div.
Place cursor just after that new div, still inside "gridContainer clearfix" and add new "fluid grid layout div tag", new row.
Following same method, do so again.
Dreamweaver adds the generated CSS code to the actual page instead of the expected div, visibly (minified)....and everything breaks. It does *not* add the code into the CSS file from there on and the only way to have it display the div (which does not show any visual indicators since the CSS is basically lost that would do so, is to CTRL-Z to undo the last step. It undoes the CSS showing as the only content in the HTML file, and *does* show a div with the name I'd given it. If I copy/paste that generated CSS into the fluid css file *then* CTRL-Z, it looks the way it's supposed to, with drag handles, visible indentations and so on.
If I then change div widths or position, it does record those changes in the CSS file, so it appears this is only when inserting new divs after the second one that's a problem (third div inside the container is when it starts choking; none overlap).
This is repeatable, on both desktop and laptop, running the same version. I've tried saving after every div insertion, only saving at the start, code view only, split only...
I've tried searching for someone else having this issue and must not be wording the search properly, can't find anyone else seeing this. It's a weird one.
If anyone can point me to something to try so the workaround isn't needed, it would be appreciated.

OK try this workflow.
Create a new FGLayout and SAVE. This will save your CSS file with whichever name you give it.
Switch to Design View. Click on Mobile Display. Build your mobile layout first since this is what everything else is based on.
Insert a few Divs and don't worry about content. Just get the basic Div structure stacked one on top of the other like this:
<div class="gridContainer clearfix">
     <div id="div1">
          Div 1
     </div>
      <div id="div2">
          Div 2
     </div>
     <div id="div3">
          Div 3
     </div>
      <div id="div4">
          Div 4
     </div>
</div>
Hit Save and name your HTML file.   Do not edit the CSS file. DW will generate the necessary layout code for you.
Switch to Tablet Display.
Grab the right side handles to resize divs and move to row above as desired.
Save often during development.
Switch to Desktop Display and repeat.
Once your layout is built, test media queries by previewing in browsers by resizing viewport
When you are completely satisfied with your responsive layout, begin adding content and use a separate external style sheet for content styles. DO NOT EDIT boilerplate or Layout CSS files as doing so could break your layout.
Nancy O.

Full width slider in a fluid grid layout ???

I'm fairly fluent in Dreamweaver building fixed pixel sites, but cannot seem to grasp fluid grid layouts. At least with what I'm trying to accomplish. mostly all of the tutorials Ive seen dont address anything complicated.
Question:
I'm trying to achieve a 100% nivo slider at the top of a page, with a main body area below it that only uses 960px or what ever the equivalent would be as a percentage. How do I do this?
Initially for testing purposes, I tried to experiment by simply creating two divs. One full screen and one less than that. What I am seeing first is that after creating two divs, and placing color in the divs, when viewed in browser, it does not fill the screen and leaves a small margin on either both side. Looking into the css properties, there's padding in the grid container and the percentage is less than 100%. Why If 100% is selected when setting the new document properties.
Maybe this is the wrong way to achieve what I'm trying to achieve, but I did attempt to get started here. I'm totally lost here guys and girls. Are there any advanced tuts out there that address this?
Thanks in advance!
Bob
<body>
<div class="gridContainer clearfix">
<div id="LayoutDiv1">Use Insert Panel for additional Fluid Grid Layout Div tags. Note: All Layout Div tags must be inserted directly inside the "gridContainer" div tag. Nested Layout Div tags are not currently supported. </div>
<div id="LayoutDiv2">This is the content for Layout Div Tag "LayoutDiv2"</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
@media only screen and (min-width: 769px) {
.gridContainer {
    width: 98.5507%;
    max-width: 1232px; (I deleted this)
    padding-left: 0.7246%;
    padding-right: 0.7246%;
    margin: auto;
#LayoutDiv1 {
    clear: both;
    float: left;
    margin-left: 0;
    width: 100%;
    display: block;
#LayoutDiv2 {
    clear: both;
    float: left;
    margin-left: 22.549%;
    width: 54.9019%;
    display: block;

Thanks for the input. I have the slider working now. Placing it before the grid container worked. Also setting the desk top grid to 81-88% answered my other question. That renders the gutters I'm looking for. But I have a question. I asked this above. If I select 100% on the mobile, 100% for tablet, and 88% for desktop, why does DW produce padding in the css files? I keep hearing references to not mess with the css file, and create a new file to perform styling. Can I safely delete this padding and change this percentage to 100%? Confusing to me. If it's mobile first, and all calculations are based on these numbers, then.... Well you understand what I'm saying.
/* Mobile Layout: 480px and below. */
.gridContainer {
    margin-left: auto;
    margin-right: auto;
    width: 96%;
    padding-left: 2%;
    padding-right: 2%;
So secondly, do we create a separate css file for styling?
And third, how do you create subsequent pages. Does this work with dwt files?
Thanks in advance. I will get my head around this soon, I promise.
B

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