Models between BPA and JDeveloper

Good morning.
I'm testing the generation of Blue Print with BPA and the reading of this Blue Print with the JDeveloper.
I can check that BPA generate Blue Print using EPC model and BPMN model. Well, I have made a "personalization" of the BPMN model, I mean, I have created a new model based on a BPMN model.
I transform the business process into BPEL using the SOA menu and BPA show me the message that the transform finished correctly (I can see the IT Process group at BPA). But when I try to see the new BPEL at JDeveloper creating a new BPEL Process Proyect with the Blue Print type, the JDeveloper don't find this new Blue Print.
Which models can be "understand" by JDeveloper? Are there any configuration file at JDeveloper where I can tell it that new models can be consider?
(Sorry for my english, it isn't very good)
Thanks in advance.
Malhalma

Hello Malhalma,
for the BPEL transformation the diagram types EPC and BPMN are valid. When you create a "new" diagram type based on the above mentioned once it appears that the required flags couldn't be set in the right way due to a missed recognition by the scripts creating the BPA BPEL.
If you do not have made to much changes within your personal diagram type I suggest to select all the objects in your source diagram and paste them in to a new EPC model just for generation purposes. Off course this is just a work around but till this problem is fixed by Oracle this could be helpful.
Regards
Dirk

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    Can we create a logical data model in BPA 11g? If we can do that can it be moved over to the BPM environment seamlessly. I was under the impression that during the modelling exercise a business analyst would develop process models and logical data models in BPA & the turn it over to IT developers who will pull these models in and develop the implementation. Is that how it works?
    Thanks.

    You can create a logical datamodel in BPA suite. The sample applicaton has an example of that: the quote to cash datamodel. There are different types of datamodels that you can create (business objects, entities etc).
    Examples of datamodels can be found in the sample: OBPA Release 11. quick start.
    The datamodels can't be imported I think, the process models can. You can either import them into Oracle BPM Studio (as executable BPMN) or into Oracle SOA Suite (transforms it into BPEL) with JDeveloper.
    Regards,
    Lonneke

  • Forms developer and jdeveloper

    hi folks
    what is the difference between forms developer and jdeveloper
    if the both of them can deal with java and can deal with pl\sql ?
    regards

    You're looking at this from too high an altitude. After all, everything running on say a pc is just making machine language calls. It's the same machine language underneath the hood for everyone on that architecture. So from that perspective there can be no difference between any programming languages. But of course, that is not true from the developer nor the end user perspective.
    There are many many angles on what makes one development environment good or bad and many competing perspectives. For example
    flexibility. If the development environment extracts functionality into many separate pieces, it will be more flexible. A process can go from
    a->b->g and bypass c,d,e,f so to speak. Whereas if a lot of functionality was glommed together one would be condemned to
    a->b->c->d->e->f->g and getting it to perform outside that path might be extremely difficult or impossible. On the other hand,
    if one really wanted the default path and that was sufficient for what one typically did, it would likely be a lot simpler to develop
    that path in a tool that only did that path. With flexibility typically comes complexity. I think you're kinda looking at that with
    say forms vs jdeveloper. If you need that mvvc or whatever it is model, the complexity of jdeveloper is the best choice but if you do not
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  • Difference between Function and Automated Activity

    Hi All,
    After struggling with a few BPA Suite/JDev compatibility issues over the past few days, we've finally got a basic setup up and running (JDev 11.1.1.1 worked - 11.1.1.2 did not).
    I'm new to BPA and have 2 fairly basic questions - haven't found conclusive answers to these and hence, raising it on this forum...
    1. What is the difference between a "Function" and an "Automated activity" in the BPA Suite? I had expected the latter to translate to a BPEL invoke but what appears to happen is:
    - "Function" tranlsates to a BPEL Scope + Invoke.
    - "Automated activity" translates to a BPEL Scope + Empty Task.
    Based on this, I would not plan to use a "Function" for web service invocations but not sure where I would use the automated activities.
    2. Is there a BPMN construct that would translate to a BPEL "Assign"? I understand that an Assign is fairly low-level and would normally be expected to be filled in by the BPEL developer (and not by the Business Analyst specifying the BPMN model) but it would be quite handy to be able to specify this in BPMN in some cases..
    Thanks..
    TBKol
    Edited by: TBKol on Apr 23, 2010 4:58 AM

    Hi All,
    After struggling with a few BPA Suite/JDev compatibility issues over the past few days, we've finally got a basic setup up and running (JDev 11.1.1.1 worked - 11.1.1.2 did not).
    I'm new to BPA and have 2 fairly basic questions - haven't found conclusive answers to these and hence, raising it on this forum...
    1. What is the difference between a "Function" and an "Automated activity" in the BPA Suite? I had expected the latter to translate to a BPEL invoke but what appears to happen is:
    - "Function" tranlsates to a BPEL Scope + Invoke.
    - "Automated activity" translates to a BPEL Scope + Empty Task.
    Based on this, I would not plan to use a "Function" for web service invocations but not sure where I would use the automated activities.
    2. Is there a BPMN construct that would translate to a BPEL "Assign"? I understand that an Assign is fairly low-level and would normally be expected to be filled in by the BPEL developer (and not by the Business Analyst specifying the BPMN model) but it would be quite handy to be able to specify this in BPMN in some cases..
    Thanks..
    TBKol
    Edited by: TBKol on Apr 23, 2010 4:58 AM

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