MSI Z97x Mpower water cooling heatsink

Hi,
I will buy Z97x MPower Max AC Motherboard, and I have water cooling system for 1/2" x 3/4" tubing (19/13mm)
But default mb fitting is 3/8mm.
Can I remove this fitting and use 19/13mm ?

No, the fitting can't be removed or changed. Only if an aftermarket adapter is available you could use the water cooling with other tubings.

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This is my first post so hopefully I'll get some good replies, basically I purchased the AE2420 3D not so long back and good lord didn't I choose the best one! random crashes, then the dreaded GPU crash resulting in a high pitch noise BSOD then immediate shut down. Anyhow a new motherboard was ordered which of course comes with a new GPU as it is soldered to the motherboard so all problems will be sorted. However the motherboard was an eye watering £130 or so, therefore you can understand my fears of "what if it happens again", so I was thinking wouldn't it be awesome to water cool the system? I've seen the insides and to be honest I think it MSI have made a quality machine, doesn't seem cramped and the airflow would seem very satisfying in terms of the size of the heat sink and copper pipes.And it also triggered me to think about water cooling the system, I think it's fairly obvious that the water cooled heat sink and fan would require there to be a hole made on the outer casing so the heat can escape properly. But what's everyone's thoughts on this?

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Beings as I've already started talking more about the problem I may as well add the rest and see if maybe my speculation was wrong.
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I've ordered the new motherboard however it hasn't arrived yet, so I may be able to fire the computer up again and try some tests if you have any that you think would help diagnose it down to being a specific problem.

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I have the pump just on a sys power fan
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Water Cooling an MSI GTX670 PO/OC

Heya,
I make a call to all water cooling enthusiasts out there! I am roaming the internet trying to figure out if the MSI GTX 670 PE/OC edition can be water cooled. The card varies quite a lot in terms of length from the ref card and a tiny bit in terms of component's shape and placing but still not so much that they look too different. I had prepared a naked card comparaison and url link to all hardware I'm talking in this post but apparently I am not allowed to post any link whatsoever.. On a forum..
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Thank you in advance for any educated soul who would help me figure this out!

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I am not allowed to post any link whatsoever.. On a forum..
You are a new user. To prevent spam you need to have at least ten posts for placing links.
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I'd like to use a full body water cooling solution
No, that is impossible. The PE uses a MSI custom PCB no full body water cooler available would fit.
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If it is, like I hope, a viable build, I'd also have to place plenty of custom heat-sinks on all the memory and other components that would otherwise be cooled by a main body water cooling solution. Would the card then be cooled enough, provided on top of custom copper heat-sinks, a 230mm side fan blows fresh air right on the card?
It is not possible to cool the vrms passively with these tiny coolers to be glued on. Just the airflow of a side panel fan won't help. This cooling is insufficient and could lead to a dead card.

MSI Z87 MPower Max-Chipset cooler-Passive,Mosfet cooler-Passive : what is that?

MSI Z87 MPower Max
specs are :
Chipset cooler-Passive,
Mosfet cooler-Passive
What does that mean for me as a buyer? is this coin for me?
thank u guys for help.

i found on this link those specs : http://uk.hardware.info/productinfo/186919/msi-z87-mpower-max#tab:specifications
tab : Cooling / Overclocking
Other boards have active cooling, so i dont know what exactly passive means for me. Asking so i dont buy cooler which is not good for board.

Unboxing MSI Z97 Mpower Max AC Overclocking Motherboard

Intel Z97 chipset based motherboards is already out and I’m glad that Intel decided it to make the CPU socket the same LGA 1150 as before. Backward compatibility for the current CPUs and at the same time will have support for the upcoming Haswell Refresh and Broadwell (14nm) processors. More importantly, the chipset has three new features and these are:
•SATA Express – PCIe M.2 support. Can deliver data speeds up to 10Gb/s
•Boot Guard – serves as a shield against low-level malware attacks using Intel device protection system
•Upgraded Intel Smart Response and Raid start technologies. Now with Dynamic Cache Sharing
Few? yes, but don’t get disappointed about it yet, as I heard that the Z97 will be good at high memory frequencies and has better CPU overclocking.
That’s it for the review and thank you … just kidding hehehe. The main gist of this short review is on MSI’s Z97 MPower Max AC and it’s such a good looking motherboard. It has new features, heat sink design and OC essential tools which will be further discussed later on. Before that, let us take a look at the packaging first.
Black and Yellow ~~black and yellow…box is same as the Z87 Mpower Max before except for the OC Series logo design.
Flipping the front cover will give you some short info on Military Class 4 components (Hi-c Cap, Dark Cap, SFC, OC PCB), Guard-Pro (Circuit Protection, Humidity Protection, High Temperature Protection, ESD Protection, EMI Protection & Eco Power), OC Essentials (tools for overclocking), Enhanced Thermal Solution, Enhanced Power and Enhanced BIOS. Then to your right is a clear plastic window which will give you a sneak peek on the actual unit. Drools…
The Z97 Mpower Max AC is OC certified as it passed the Prime95 24-hour burn-in stress test with a liquid-cooled overclocked CPU. This is to ensure the board’s overclocking stability.
I/O overview is also shown here and Intel’s Wi-Fi AC module.
Specifications:
•CPU
Supports 4th and 5th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors, and Intel® Pentium® and Celeron® Processors for Socket LGA1150
•Chipset
Intel® Z97 Express Chipset
•Memory
4x DDR3 DIMMs 1066/1333/1600/1866*/2000*/2133*/2200*/2400*/2600*/2666*/2800*/3000*/3100*/3200*/3300*(OC) DRAM, 32GB Max
•LAN
Intel I218-V Gigabit LAN controller
•Audio
Realtek® ALC1150 Codec
•Video
3 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (support x16, x8/x8, x8/x4/x4 modes)
•Peripheral Interfaces
6x SATA 6Gb/s ports from Z97 with RAID Support
2x SATA 6Gb/s ports from ASMedia ASM1061
6x USB 2.0 ports (2 Rear / 4 Front)
12x USB 3.0 ports (8 Rear / 4 Front)
The package is full of bundles and some new stuff included
•Z97 Mpower Max AC Overview Map
•Z97 MPower Max User Guide
•Software & Application User Guide
•Overclocking Guide
•Quick Installation Guide
•OC Door Message Hanger
•SATA Cable Label Stickers
•MSI OC Badge
Closer look on MSI’s new OC case badge
•WiFi and Bluetooth Antenna
•Intel Wifi/Bluetooth Module
•MSI SLI Bridge
•IO Backplate
•M-Connector for Easy Header Installation
•V-Check Points Cable
MSI so extravagant with the bundles!!! Keep ‘em coming
•6x SATA 6GB/s Data Cables
•E-SATA PCI Expansion Bracket
What you will notice right away is the new water cooling heat sink for the VRM area. Enthusiasts will like this very much as they don’t have to worry on buying water blocks for this section. But even on stock, the heat sink is efficient to cool down the VRM chips. It is composed of heat pipe and ceramic materials.
PCB is matte black and is using dark solid capacitors. Layout is clean and organized especially on the area of the multi graphics card slots. OC button tools are placed on the upper right area of the board for easy access. The 8pin and 4pin power connectors on the upper left area are used to supply power to the CPU and it also helps achieve higher overclock potential and stability to the processor.
MSI also included an integrated Clock Generator chip called OC Engine (located below the CPU socket). Having this will support more BCLK adjustments from 100 / 125 / 167 MHz straps. The more flexible the strap is, the more doors for maximum OC potential.
12Phase DigitAll power design. Powerful enough to break OC world records and dominate benchmarks.
You also have the Military Class 4 components SFC chokes and Hi-c caps surrounding the CPU socket.
On the area in between the two heat sinks connected by a heat pipe is an additional 6pin power. It provides more juice and stability in multi-graphics card configuration.
The first two buttons on the left are the Base Clock Control Buttons. These buttons are used to increase or decrease the base clock frequency in real-time. At the bottom, you have the Discharge button and it allows you to fully discharge the motherboard and even removes information from the Z97 PCH. Next you have the Reset and Power buttons and lastly the most valuable button of them all – OC Genie for auto overclock.
To the farthest right is a switch. This is the OC Genie Mode switch which provides two overclocking modes. First mode is the Gear 1, the default automatic overclocking setting while Gear 2 is a higher auto overclock tweak than Gear 1. This goes hand in hand with the OC Genie Button.
V-Check Points is now version 2 with 2 extra ground connectors, allowing overclockers to use 3 multi-meters at the same time. You can check the VCCIN, DDR, Core,IGP, Ring Bus and System Agent voltage on the fly.
Audio Boost is also been upgraded. It has Dual Amps now and is using better Nippon Chemi-con filtering capacitors.
Here comes one of the major features of having Z97 chipset based motherboard, SATA Express. M.2 slot transfers data through a PCI Express 2.0 x2 interface which can reach up to 10 Gb/s speed. That is 67% much faster than your regular SATA 3 solutions.
Two more switches are to be found at the bottom of the board. First one is the Multi-BIOS Switch. This model has two built-in BIOS ROMs labeled as A and B (Default is BIOS ROM A). If one crashed, you can shift to the other for booting or perhaps use the other one for test purpose of new BIOS available in the net. You can also use this feature to fix corrupted BIOS. Next switch is the Slow Mode Booting and mostly used during LN2 or extreme overclocking situations. What it does is it will temporary decrease the CPU Ratio to 8x and after successfully booting to Windows you can flick the switch back again to apply your high overclock frequency settings.
Done with the switches and now for the small black button called Go2BIOS. Pressing this button before turning on your computer or right after a system restart, will go straight to your board’s BIOS.
The ever reliable Debug Code LED indicator is available in this model. This can be used greatly for troubleshooting boot up and hardware problems. Check out the User Manual Guide for the corresponding POST Code errors.
SATA ports 8 and 7 on the left are controlled by ASMedia ASM1061 while the rest are from the Intel Z97 chipset. There also 2x USB 3.0 internal headers available and also controlled by Intel Z97.
•PS2 Combo Port
•2x USB 2.0
•Empty space for Intel’s WIFI/Bluetooth AC Module
•6x USB 3.0 by ASMedia ASM1074
•1x Intel I218-V Gigabit LAN Controller
•1x S/PDIF Audio Output by Realtek ALC1150
•1x HDMI Port
•1x DisplayPort
•2x USB 3.0 by ASMedia ASM1042
•6x Analog Gold Plated Audio Ports by Realtek ALC1150
This is it for now and I don’t still have the right parts to run the motherboard to its max potential. I will update you guys as soon as I get my hands on the stuff I needed. Benchmarks and overclocking results will be made.
Long live MSI OC Series!!!

It is interesting MSI chose not to incorporate dedicated SATA Express port(s). Some manufacturers even incorporated that on it's Z87's.
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Few? yes, but don’t get disappointed about it yet, as I heard that the Z97 will be good at high memory frequencies and has better CPU overclocking.
If Intel didn't increase the useable RAM bandwidth with Devil's Canyon, those higher RAM frequencies are going to do nothing! With a VRM still in the CPU, even with the improved TIM, it remains to be seen how much of a better OC'er Devil's Canyon will be on conventional cooling solutions. Anything above Z97 Gaming 7 or 9 is kind of overkill for an average non exotic cooling pc user. If anything like the Z87 Power Max I got to work with, most of those OC settings on these class boards was a total waste. Z97 better OC'er for normal users? Time will tell.

OC Certified Motherboard. MSI Z77 MPower

For those who are wanting to have a good priced performing Z77 motherboard, MSI Bigbang Mpower might be the one for you. These boards have been tested using Prime95 and validated to run at certain OC speeds before releasing it to the market and if ever a Military Class III components gets damaged during overclocking, it will be still covered by warranty which other brands do not offer. MSI has also decided to make the MPower's color scheme to black and yellow to match their Lightning Videocard Series. Combining these two hardwares together, you will have a bad-ass kicking computer system.
Moving on with the specifics of the Mpower, It has an improved 16-Phase CPU VRM and optimized PCB for delivering higher overclocks and faster response time to the system. It also has an embedded 6-pin PCIE power connector to give additional ampage boost on the graphic cards. We also see a diagnostic LEDs as this helps to troubleshoot hardware problems with the codes it displays and it also acts as CPU Temp Monitor. Voltage measurement points is also provided as this is primarily used by overclockers to check the voltages accurately and in real-time. Three PCI-Express 3.0 x16 (x8/x4/x4) for Nvidia 3 Way SLI or for an AMD 2 Way Crossfire multi-graphic setup.
The newest feature that MSI integrated to the board is the inclusion of Atheros Bluetooth and Wifi N combo device. With this, you can communicate with the board using a downloadable application called "Command Center" to your ios phone or tablet to overclock the board or turn it into a remote control to do basic windows commands such as power on/off, clearing CMOS setting, playing/stopping media, volume control, and more. Pretty cool right?!
For a quick review of the Z77 chipset, we all know that it supports both Intel Sandy Bridge and 22nm Ivy Bridge Processors. Native USB 3.0 is implemented and the upgrade of PCI-Express x16 towards 3.0.
Time for product Show case
Components, card slots and connectors are all laid-out nicely. The PCB of the board is actually thicker compared with a regular one.
Comes with the board are Sata 6GB/s Cables, SLI Bridge, V-Check Point Connectors, Easy Connector Header Guide, Antennas for the Wifi N device, IO Backplate
Manuals, Overclocking Guide, Driver Utility Disc and the Quality Passed Certificate of Quality and Stability
Military Standard "MIL-STD-810G" Tests consists of the following:
•Temperature Shock Test
Method 503.5
Temperature: -40C to 70C
Number of Cycles:3
Test Duration: 4.5hours
•Humidity Test
Method 507.5
Temperature: 24C
Number of Cycles: 95% (RH)
Test Duration: 10 Days
•Vibration Test
Method 514.6
Frequency: 10-500 Hz
Waveform: Random
Test Duration: 1 Hour/Axis (X/Y/Z)
•Low Pressure Test
Method 500.5
Height: 15000 Feet
Test Duration: 4 Hours
•High Temperature Test
Method 501.5
Temperature: 71X
Test Duration: 24 Hours
•Low Pressure Test
Method 502.5
Temperature: -51C
Test Duration: 24 Hours
•Shock Test
Method 516.6
Drop Height: 10cm
Drop Surface: Rigid Steel (4.5cm)
Number of Drops: 4
Left to Right: PS2 Combo Port which automatically detects if a PS2 Mouse or Keyboard has been connected, Clear Cmos Button which lits up when pressed, Bluetooth , Wifi Antenna , Realtek 8111E Gigabit LAN Port / USB 3.0 Ports, Digital SPDIF Audio (Realtek ALC898 THY TruStudio Pro Software Layered) / HDMI and Display Port Connector which supports 2560x1600 Resolution, 6 Analog Audio Jacks
Military Class III Components circling around the socket area Improved VRM heatsinks with Superpipe Flat heatpipe for faster heat dissipation.
From Left to Right: 6Pin Power for additional GPU Power Amp, V-Check Points, The Easy Buttons which consist the Power, Reset and OC Genie II.
So what does the OC Genie II do?
Its a chip that detects the hardware configuration and increases the overall system performance through overclocking. It automatically set the clocks and voltages of the CPU/RAM and IGP with just a press of a single button.
Left to Right: All SATA Ports are handled by Intel Chipset. SATA 3-6 are 3GB/s while SATA 1-2 are 6GB/s. USB 3.0 header and Debug LEDs indicator.
Switchable Multi Bios A and B. The SW1 is for the Go2Bios which helps you to enter the Bios Screen before the Windows 8 boots up.
The Red USB Header is for the SuperCharger feature which charges your USB device even if your computer is turned off, you just have to ensure that the PSU is plugged in the electric outlet and switched on. Then you have the regular USB 2.0 black headers.
4x PCIE 2.0 x1 and the 3x PCI-Express 3.0 X16 slots.
I tested the board for a short period of time but I noticed right away the fast installation of windows 7 and the fast boot up to windows. Programs are very responsive and I haven't tweaked the Windows yet. The wifi device signal is quite strong too that even without the antenna, it can easily connect to my wifi router which is located at the other room. Lastly, MSI should have integrated realtime Bclock adjustment like the Direct OC before into this board. This is a good additional OC tool for overclockers like me.

Probably co-incidence
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Don't understand how enabling Virtu Lucid in the BIOS with OC Genie 'ON' could have such a result.. Has MSI tested this??
I am sure they tested it, most likely the board was defective and whatever switch was flipped by this change allowed the damage to occur.

MSI Z97 MPOWER MAX AC Question

I just ordered a MSI Z97 MPOWER MAX AC and wonder if anyone hooks up the built in vrm water cooling on the board. I have a swiftech H240x water-cooling loop that I could incorporate into the loop if its worthwile.Also,I am putting a I7 4790k into it and wonder if I should try the Delid Die Guard with the 4790k delidded. Any info and tips for this mb greatly appreciated..

Hi
I have used this motherboard for a while. Using the is good idea and surely reduces temps a bit. I would do it now as I have custom cooling but I dont have this board anymore.
With delidding you have to buy it separately as thid board doesnt come with it. Surely worth it IF you dont break CPU while delidding it.

Water cooling for K8N Neo4

I am thinking about trying out an alternative cooling method for my motherboard. Core Center reads my CPU Temp at 125 F and System Temp at 129 F on average.
Wanted to know if anyone has tried any water cooling kits that fit on this motherboard msi K8N Neo4 Platinum.

I have the regular CPU heatsink/fan that came with the AMD64 X2 4800+ CPU. I have a Cooler Master Cavalier 3 case with One 80 x 80 x 25 mm Front Fan ( intake) and One 120 x 120 x 25 mm Rear Fan ( exhaust ), also has like a CPU air duct on the side panel.
Just wanted to know if anyone with the same motherboard has been able to fit a waer cooling or A/C type cooling that will clear the voltage regulators or other parts around the CPU.
MSI K8N Neo4 with 1.C0 BIOS revision
AMD64 X2 4800+
2GB CORSAIR TWINX2048 3200 C2
Antec TruePower 2.0 550 Watts
Nvidia GeForce 7900 GT
Mounted on a Cooler Master Cavalier 3 case

MSI Z97 MPOWER MAX AC vs MSI Z97 GAMING 9 AC

I can't decide which motherboard to purchase.
MSI Z97 MPOWER MAX AC = 20 Phase, 1x Intel I218-V Gigabit LAN controller
MSI Z97 GAMING 9 AC = 16 Phase, 1x Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN controller
I'll be gaming, and having a play with overclocking, which is the best do you reckon, they seem practically the same otherwise?
Which one would you choose?

Cheers for the replies guys, I appreciate everyones opinions.
Been digging for some more info...
Quote from: Techpowerup | Posted: 6th May 2014
MSI Also Launches its Z97 Gaming Series / Z97 OC Series Motherboards
The Z97 MPower MAX AC is a notch below the Z97 XPower AC. It offers a milder 12-phase VRM to power the CPU, but one that draws power from a combination of 8-pin EPS and 4-pin CPU power connectors, and featuring a coolant channel through the VRM heatsinks. There's no PCIe bridge chip, but the board still offers three PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (x8/x4/x4 when all three are populated). Storage connectivity on this board includes eight SATA 6 Gb/s, and one M.2 slot. The rest of its connectivity includes ten USB 3.0 ports, 802.11 ac WLAN, Bluetooth 4.0, gigabit Ethernet, and AudioBoost audio with headphones amp and ground-layer isolation. The Z97 MPower MAX is the most "affordable" of the lot, at under $200. Its feature-set is more or less identical to that of the Z97 MPower MAX AC, except it lacks 802.11 ac WLAN, Bluetooth 4.0, liquid-cooled VRM heatsinks, and onboard OC fine-tuning buttons.
The Z97 Gaming 9 draws power from a combination of 24-pin ATX, 8-pin EPS connectors, and uses a 16-phase VRM to condition power for the CPU, which is wired to four DDR3 DIMM slots, and three PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots (x8/x4/x4 when all three are populated, x8/x8/x0 when two are, and x16/x0/x0 when one is. 3-way SLI and CrossFire are supported. An EMI shield covers the rear-panel I/O, while another shields the entire onboard audio circuitry, and the NICs. Audio is care of a 100+ dBA SNR DAC, which an external headphone amp circuit, ground-layer isolation, audio-grade capacitors, and EMI shielding. Wired connectivity is handled by Broadcom's newer Killer E2205 gigabit NIC. Wireless connectivity is handled by an Intel-made chipset that offers 802.11 ac WLAN, and Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity. Storage connectivity is devoid of SATA-Express, but features eight SATA 6 Gb/s, and an M.2 slot. Overclocking features include voltage measurement points, and POST LED display. Expect this one to go for over US $200.
The Z97 Gaming 7 and Z97 Gaming GD65 are two different beasts, although they're in the same price bracket (around $180). The Gaming 7 features an all-PCIe expansion area with modern M.2 slot, while the GD65 features dated mSATA 6 Gb/s. The rest of their feature-sets are identical, even if their PCBs are not. You get a 12-phase CPU VRM, three PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots (x8/x4/x4 when all are populated), eight SATA 6 Gb/s ports, AudioBoost audio, and Killer E2200 NIC. The story repeats itself with the Z97 Gaming 5 and Z97-G45 Gaming.
Barring the milder 8-phase CPU VRM, both are similar in features to the more expensive Gaming 7 and GD65, with the exception of two fewer SATA 6 Gb/s ports. At the entry level are the Z97 Gaming 3 and Z97-G43 Gaming. The two are designed for gaming builds with no more than two graphics cards, and offer some legacy PCI slots. The two offer AudioBoost and Killer E2200, but skimp out on the CPU VRM, featuring just a 6-phase one. Storage connectivity is consistent with those of the Gaming 5 and G45.
Source / Source
£199.99 - MSI Z97 Gaming 9 AC (Amazon UK)
£168.20 - MSI Z97 MPOWER MAX AC (Amazon UK)
£129.53 - MSI Z97 Gaming 7 (Amazon UK)
£124.99 - MSI Z97 MPOWER - (Amazon UK)
£123.86 - MSI Z97-GD65 (Amazon UK)

990FXA-GD80V2 and water cooling

Hi,
Been combing the web trying to find an answer for my question and stumbled upon this forum. I figured you might know. I just purchased a combo pack on Newegg that had a MSI 990FXA-GD80V2 motherboard and AMD FX-8150. Seeing how the stock fan/heatsink barely keeps the heat in check i was looking for alternatives. What i want to know is if the motherboard would work well with the CPU cooled by lets say CORSAIR H80 water cooler. I know from recently help a friend with his rig that without the normal CPU fan some motherboards them selves overheat. Only way we fixed his was to bolt a separate fan on the mobo for that issue.
So a recap on my question. Does the motherboard its self have adequate cooling to allow the CPU to have watercooling?
Thanks

The question of heat is covered in a few areas.. air flow of the case itself.. to include amount of fans, and if you plan to run, in your case the FX-8150 overclocked or not. At stock speeds the CPU cooler that came with the CPU will work fine.. possible with even a small OC. If you are planning to OC and/or play with variable OC's and testing.. a better CPU cooler is the way to go. The new water cooling systems like the H80/100 and other self contained water coolers are good. Better than a self built water cooling system, there is less chance of leakage.
If you take the time to look at CPU cooler reviews... a lot of good air coolers are cooling better than a cooling system like the H80. A real nice thing about the coolers like the H80 is airflow in the case. It also takes a case that can handle the size of some of the air coolers. A lot of them are huge in size. I have a friend who has both the H80 and H100. He tells me that he likes the cooling of the H100 better. He does serious Overclocking. I also own the 990FXA-GD80 and have an FX-8150 on the way. I am using a Zalman 9900. I plan to continue using it.. that said, my friend is trying to talk me into an H100. My case is the Antec 280 and it is possibly the largest case on the markey with 7 120mm fans running, plus the CPU cooler. If you look at the bottom of posts we list our equipment. Being new here, you might not have read the posting guide. If you give us your information, how you plan to use and overclock or not we can give a better answer.
To focus on your question.. like Svet answered... yes, the H80 should do a good job.
Good Luck

Problem with starting msi z77 Mpower

Hello
i 've just bought a Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 800W
and a mobo msi z77 mpower(today)
i have this problem
i have tested the psu with 2 different mobo (the msi stated before and a asus p8z77 v pro) and in both cases the psu fan runs for few seconds and the it stops.i have tried it with and without cpu , with and without case fans , i have the same problem it turns the fans for few seconds and then it stops as if dose not have enough power.
tested the psu with the paper clip test and it works , but when i put the 24 pin connectors and the 8 pin connectors on the motherboard it dosen't. Maybe i do something wrong ?
I've speak with tech support from cooler master and it seems it's not the psu
honestly i don't know what eles to try /do
can you help me?
thank you in advance

To go a step farther, when the board is outside of the case, you should have a monitor connected to the onboard graphics or a discrete card, 1 stick of RAM in the primary DIMM slot, and CPU with it's cooler for initial startup. Be sure to test on a non conductive surface of unprinted plain cardboard or an untreated wood surface.

3.3 Ghz. Overclocked, water cooled, MacPro 1,1 won't boot

I'm not good at writing, so bear with me...
Please understand all that I did can be filed under the categories of "For Fun" or "Because It Was There".
MacPro1,1 generally worked fine, but I think my PSU fan wasn't working and I shorted out the front panel USB.
Doing video, thinking after 5 years need a new Mac, but read about upgrades processor upgrades & decided to try.
So... Got two X5350's, did the BSEL and vid mods and got a usable machine for everything but processor intensive stuff. Might have been the heat from the PSU, but seemed more related to proc's temp. Decided to watercool. (Don't worry, I'll do an entire article on this later. Should be interesting, I've set it up to dump the computers heat to a GeoThermal ground loop)
I'm on vacation now. But right before I left I finished leak testing and did the first attempt at booting and...
No joy.
Got chimes, RAM bank LCD's, and didn't see any mobo warning lights. But no video (oh yeah- EK water block on a 5770 pushing two 30" ACD's). Didn't hear it accessing the hard drives at all, and the fans went up to full speed.
PRAM, SMC, yadayadayada... Still November Juliet.
BUT... I never reconnected the CPU's heatsink temperature thermistors to the mobo. The only one I was able to get off without breaking was to the Northbridge.
Questions:
A.) Does the lack of connected working thermistors explain the lack of booting?
B.) if A=True, then (**THE IMPORTANT QUESTION**) how to I get (buy, manufacture, or steal) a replacement pair?
C.) if A=False then Oh God, what have I done and how do I fix it?
To complicated matters, while getting the bubbles out (lifting/tilting) the computer slipped out of my hands onto it's side (mobo side down). No obvious damage, but the Koolance CPU-340 waterblock's are nickel/copper and kind of heavy!
MacPro1,1
2X X5350 (BSEL to 1333/3.3Ghz and VID to 1.425)
HD bay 1&2= 1Tb RAID0
HD bay 3&4= 1.5Tb RAID0
10 Gb RAM
2 generic FW & USB2 cards
BDR-205 eSATA
ATI HD5770
All thoughts, comments, and rude gestures appreciated.
Thanks In Advance,
Robert

Oh baby, its up & running! It was the RadioShack transistors that did the trick. (This just slays me... after $40 to get 25mm 3.5M screws, I get the answer to the thing puzzling me most from RadioShack.) See it at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCz5pqbvEwc
I've been having some Display issues with fine sparkly lines on the mini display port monitor (not the main with the ADC). Now, mind you, it's the FAR mdp because when you use the near one the second monitor won't come up with boot (always. even before the overclock). NOWHERE as bad as the old 8800. That one sparkled so bad it was like... (Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ohhhhh...).
This also seems to be heat related. I've noted that when I can stress the GPU the Temp of "CPU A Proximity" sensor rises. And it's not the CPU that's doing it, I showed this just by repeatedly testing the GPU in CineBench. (BTW, did you know Handbrake uses the GPU? Up to 40% at some times!).
So the next step is to unplug the 5770 and stress the system via Screen Sharing, but my guess is that there are issues with how the Mac uses the cards. Seriously, the X1900. the 8800, and now the 5770?
Nah, I'm not buying it anymore. They've got heat and power issues that they don't want to address, probably because it'd need an EFI update. And they ain't gonna do that 'cause EFI is really the only way to "Obsolete" you into a new purchase. And if they did, they'd have to address the "PSU fan won't go over 600rpm" issue, or face accusations that they 1.) Don't know how to fix it , or 2.) Don't wanna fix it- you just need to go buy a new computer!
Anyway, if I can figure anything about the Displays, I'll come back & let ya know.
BTW, yeah, I wanted an upgrade but I was more concerned with the extra seven 100 Watt light bulbs I have in my office (MacPro=400W, 2 30" ACD's=300W), and how to get rid of their heat. Hey, I'm middle-aged, fat, live in Texas and have two school aged kids that didn't like seeing their old man working at his desk in his underwear & wiping sweat from his face & pits with a shop towel. On the upside, the annoying neighbor kids quit hanging around.
But I thank you for the kudos. Gracias.
Robert
MacPro1,1
3.3Ghz OctoCore with GeoThermal-loop water cooling
12GB RAM
2.5TB (total) twin internal striped RAID arrays
.45 Longslide (laser sighting)
ATI 5770 to 2X 30in. Apple Cinema Displays
Phased plasma rifle (in the 40 watt range)
Internal Pioneer BDR-205

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